Correspondence from a man who denies the Atonement

On September 5th, of this year (2011) I received an email from a guy asking me to respond to the following questions. His email is below:

Robert,

I just read your salvation plan, and want to ask you if you would consider answering a few questions to what you are teaching as truth.

1, Does one have to stop sinning to be saved, such as porn watching, fornication, a thief, drunkard, to receive the mercy of God and forgiveness? (through true biblical repentance)

2, Is Christ our substitution or our example to follow, another words did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness, or to ransom us from the bondage's of sin, putting to death by His blood the works of the devil, so we can nor follow His example?

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Tommy

I read his email and thought not much of it, so I happily responded in the following manner.

Thanks for your questions. I'll be happy to answer.

Question 1: "Does one have to stop sinning to be saved, such as porn watching, fornication, a thief, drunkard, to receive the mercy of God and forgiveness?"

Answer: According to the Bible, salvation is not by what you DO (i.e. stop sinning to get or stay saved), it's by receiving by FAITH what Jesus Christ has already DONE for you on the cross of Calvary. Eph. 2:8,9 state: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Notice salvation is by FAITH, and not anything you do of yourself. It is a GIFT of God, not of WORKS, and it's not something you can BOAST about (like saying, look what I stopped doing!)
Should you stop doing those things? BY ALL MEANS YES! We shouldn't do those things at all. But salvation is not dependent upon what you do or don't do, it's dependent upon whether or not you choose to accept what Jesus DID for you when he died on the cross to pay for your sins of "porn watching, fornication, thievery, drunkeness, etc."
Repentance means two things: 1. To feel sorry for something and 2. To turn from one thing to another. That's what repentance is. Do you feel sorry for putting Christ Jesus on the cross? For it was your sins that placed him there. And are you willing to turn from trusting yourself to trusting in Jesus alone for salvation?

Question 2: "Is Christ our substitution or our example to follow, another words did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness, or to ransom us from the bondage's of sin, putting to death by His blood the works of the devil, so we can nor follow His example?"

Answer: Good question! The answer is he is both! He died for our sins as our substitute. 1 Peter 3:18 is a good verse: "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit." Notice this verse says that Jesus suffered for our sins. He was the just, we are the unjust. He was our substitute dying for OUR sins in OUR place. However, yes, he is also a great example for us to follow. We should follow him and try to live like he did. We should try to live a holy life.

You ask, "did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness or to ransom us from the bondage of sin, putting to death by his blood the works of the Devil..."?

He did die to PAY for our sins. However, we must accept his payment by faith in order to be forgiven personally and have our sins washed away. He is only our righteousness when we receive him by faith, then and only then does he make us righteous. His blood did not "put to death the works of the Devil." I don't know where you got that. The devil is still alive today and working in doing evil all the time. And Yes, Jesus wants us to separate ourselves from sin, however, we are still sinners. There are only two types of sinners: Saved Sinners and Lost Sinners. In other words, Sinners who have been born again and Sinners who have not been born again. Which are you?

Romans 3:25-28 below are some good verses that should answer your questions better than I could...

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Notice it says that Christ is our PROPITIATION (or substitute) THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. Is your faith in his blood? It says that when you trust his blood, you are declaring HIM righteous, and not yourself. It is Jesus who justifies us by faith, not by our own works, and not by the deeds of the law.

Hope this answers your questions.

Robert Breaker

This man responded to me in a way that it made me think he wasn't saved. For what I read was a man who seemed to be denying the blood atonement of Jesus Christ. His response follows:

Thank you Robert for your honest answers, I know what you sent you believe with all your heart, and teach it to many, but I cannot accept what you wrote as truth, you have been greatly deceived, and deceiving many.

The true Gospel is simple, and I send you these tract's that can save you from your errors if you take it to heart, repent from your false teachings, and seek mercy while you can. 2 Corin 7-10!

Everything But the Truth!

You are standing on a foundation made of Straw. By the slick use of Language the ultimate ruse has been perpetrated on mankind and deeply ground into his physic. It concerns forgiveness of sins by God, better known as the ‘Atonement’ With a Vast majority of the people on earth in the so-called ‘Christian’ camp, this subject is of the utmost importance to their eternal well being.

Most Christians (of all the various groups) believe that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, came to earth as a Man and died on the Cross ‘in their place’, to forgive the sins of the World. Whereas He made ‘Atonement’ for them and ‘IF’ they Trust and Receive His free Gift they are ‘Saved’ from the Wrath of God and destined for eternal paradise at the end. Thus this is the end to all their Preaching and Evangelism, throughout the entire world, regardless which group or Doctrinal System they are derived from.

The idea behind this ‘Atonement’ is based on a Substitution, Representation Model established firmly in ‘Reformed’ theology. Most of the Preaching however is very much simplified in the Pulpits at a human level so that it will appeal to the minds of the people. The more complicated issues of Doctrine are avoided to maintain an aura of Mystery about the things of God. Thereby a person need not understand the whole spectrum of theology behind it all, just ‘Accept’ it as Truth.

In this manner most Professing Christians are able to have a degree of assurance that God has genuinely forgiven their Sins and will take them to Heaven when they die; Although they remain vile sinners here on earth, hopelessly addicted to their base Nature (born into them) and unable to ever cease from sinning daily in thought, word and deed. Accordingly the ‘Representation’ aspect of their belief System supports this conclusion with flying colors! If Jesus Stands ‘in my Stead’ and suffers the Punishment I deserve what remains to be done? He has Done it all, in my place because I was ‘UNABLE’ to do it myself. My ‘TRUST’ seals the transaction and now God can no longer hold me accountable for my sins. (even though I continue in them.)

By design the ‘Christian’ Religion has set forth a VERY POOR example to the World for any real Moral uprightness in the people who profess it. And the reason is quit Simple. They have foolishly embraced a Massive Fallacy concerning the ATONEMENT! One that removes the guilt of their sin without actually removing the sin itself. Consequently the Jesus they believe in serves as a Representative ‘in their place’ NOT as an example to follow after. (1Pet2:21) The Condition of this supposed Salvation is founded on the ‘Not of Works’ mantra. So the Vast Majority of professed Christians trust in a God that requires nothing of them (but to believe) and will not hold them accountable for their on going wrong doings. When pure common sense dictates to the human mind that everyone will Reap what they have sown. (Gal6:7-8)

Hence Logic is removed from the equation. People can hold to ANY System of Doctrine in the Christian religion as long as it is based on this fallacy. But the entire structure of this system comes crashing down on the interpretation of a simple ‘Preposition’ If my hope of Salvation is based on Jesus dying on the Cross ‘FOR’ me, Does that mean ‘in my place’, ‘instead of me’ OR ‘ON MY BEHALF’ ? Does it Matter which definition I believe in, on whether or not I’m really Saved from my sin? When it comes to True Redemption, it matters a GREAT deal!

Atonement founded on Substitution means that the retributive Justice of God has been poured out on Jesus instead of me. It also means (in most interpretations) that the Moral Righteousness and Obedience of Christ is transferred to me by faith. Once I trust in this arrangement there is Nothing to secure my own Obedience to God or motivate me to follow His example. Everything has been done ‘in advance’,. My sins, Past, Present and Future are ‘Done away’ on the Cross with Jesus. The only thing that changed is my Status with God who has now reconciled Himself to my sinful ‘Condition’. My Justification is secured in Christ and cannot be reversed.

However IF indeed the truth is that He died ‘ON MY BEHALF’ as an Offering for Sin, (as Christians believed for the first 1000 years of their existence) then the Retributive Justice of God has NOTHING to do with it. Therefore Redemption is based on a ‘Return to Favor’ on Condition of me forsaking my sins and obeying God. The entire process turns on a faith PROVEN by DEEDS, (Acts26:18-20) just as the Bible Says.

In Repentance I die with Christ (to sin) and my heart is made PURE by Faith Working by Love! Now I Obey God Cleansed, Purged and Scrubbed Clean of all my overflow of wickedness and defilement able to Receive with meekness the implanted Word that can Save my Soul. (Rom6:4-6, James1:21-23) I Come Sorrowing after the Mercy of God, CLEARED of my wrong doings by forsaking them and making restitution where necessary. Vehemently desiring in my heart to Obey Him with great zeal, presuming nothing and plead for Reconciliation. (This is the Model of Redemption set forth in the Bible! 2Cor7:10-11)

A FAR Cry from someone swapping places with me and Magically transferring the Virtue of Christ to my account. The Substitution Changes God by appeasing His Wrath (which is spent on Jesus) while Man remains unchanged still a ‘sinner’ by Nature. All Because of the faulty translation of a simple preposition, that common sense and logic show throughout the Scriptures that it is Something Done on one’s BEHALF NOT ‘in their place’. (Gal3:13) This is the reason people will jump through fiery hoops to Conjecturally prove their Doctrinal theories are true and that the Bible cannot be taken in a Literal sense especially when Obedience and Purity are involved. (1Tim1:5)

Think about it a moment. You believe that Jesus died on the Cross ‘in your place’ and took on Himself your sins and the penalty due them. If you TRUST in that, and perform whatever ritual the church you attend demands, you are Saved. The remainder of your new ‘Christian’ life is now relational whereas no further condemnation can befall you. That was taken care of on the Cross. Neat arrangement, BUT unfortunately it was invented in the Mind of man, not God.

On the other hand IF Jesus offered Himself ‘for my sin’ and became a Curse on ‘my behalf’ (Gal3:13, 2Cor5:21) I now have the opportunity to approach God for Reconciliation, in Repentance and faith and plead for His Mercy. The heart change comes ‘in the process’ of my godly sorrow for sin. Therefore I TOUCH the Blood of Christ in reality and DIE ‘WITH’ Him by Example and become Truly Purified by Faith! (Heb9:14) A HUGE DIFFERENCE in the outcome, wouldn’t you say? In the Former I’m Cloaked and Covered in my sins. In the Latter I am Released from my bondage to sin and saved from its Corrupting influence. The Works of the Devil are Destroyed! (1John3:8)

Thus the True Meaning of Bible Redemption: ‘Release from bondage by Payment of Ransom!’ What Jesus did on the Cross was NOT take anyone’s place, BUT Provide Himself as an Offering to Ransom Man and turn him from Darkness to Light, from the Power of Satan to God! Hence the ‘Works’ of the Devil are Destroyed and Man can be Restored to an upright heart. Now the Bible makes sense! DEEDS will be the deciding factor in your final Salvation, not some mystical Trust in an illusion. (Rom2:7-8, 1Pet1:17)

Professed Christians today are believing ‘Everything’ but the Truth. Simply because most of them have NEVER been exposed to the truth. It’s an unfortunate reality however that their belief Systems has a very Strong tendency to Silence their Conscience to the Convicting Power of the Holy Spirit. Thus when they do hear the Truth it cannot Cut them to the heart so that they would be motivated to Repent. When a person is convinced that some form of Doctrine is Correct, it is almost impossible to persuade them otherwise. To them the Bible Supports their fallacies and absolves them from and further punishment.

Will You Repent?

“God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” John3:16

Does this Single Passage Capsulate the Gospel Message? Will you then merely ‘Believe’, and Trust that you have eternal life? Did you know that the Bible also says that the ‘Devils Believe’ and tremble? (James2:19) Are you then willing to stake your eternal destiny on the testimony of what men have said about John3:16? Is it Really ‘Faith Alone’ that Saves the Soul? Many think so, but the Real question is: ‘DID JESUS THINK SO?’

Jesus said that NOT Everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord will Enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who DOES the Will of My Father in heaven! Matt7:21. Is Doing the Will of God merely ‘Believing’ in Jesus? Again, many will tell you so. But yet Christ Himself answered the question of who would be Saved in Luke13:24, He said: “STRIVE to enter the Narrow Gate, for Many, I say to you, will Seek to Enter and NOT be Able!”

Your Churches tell you ‘Seek and you shall find’ but that’s only a PART of this Message. If you fail to STRIVE (that is put forth a strenuous effort in the face of all adversity) you Will NOT Enter. WHY? Because not only is the Gate Narrow it is also DIFFICULT and only a FEW will be able to find it. Matt7:14. No wonder the Apostle Peter proclaimed to the Saints that the ‘Righteous’ are Scarcely Saved!’ 1Pet4:18, or More Clearly: ‘Saved with GREAT Difficulty.’ It certainly appears that he understood the Gospel Message of His Lord in plain language.

Further is the aspect of ‘Repentance’, Preached as the Basic fundamental Message from the Start. When Jesus described those coming to Him at the Judgment, claiming good works done in His Name, He called them ‘Workers’ of Iniquity! (Matt7:22-23) They were Not among the FEW who had ‘Departed from Iniquity’ (2Tim2:19)

Under the God so loved the World Gospel, NO ONE is Departing from their Iniquity. In fact they are being taught the Very Opposite! That you come to Christ ‘in your sins’ He Receives you and Cleans you up later.

Is this REALLY what the Bible teaches? Are you Certain it’s Correct? Your Soul is hanging in the balance.

EVERYWHERE the Message of Repentance includes a Clearing of Wrong Doing BEFORE Pardon can be granted. (2Cor7:10-11) Surly this is an extremely Difficult concept for you to accept, having sit under the ‘Love’ Gospel for so long. But it’s TRUE none the less. John the Baptist and Christ Himself followed the Prophets and called for this kind of Repentance as the Single Condition to be Reconciled to God and enter the Kingdom. (Matt3:-10, Lk3:8)

Isaiah said: “Let the Wicked forsake his ways and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Let him RETURN to the Lord and He will have Mercy on him. For He will abundantly pardon.” Isa55:7

Hundreds of Passages could be cited proclaiming the exact Same Message of Repentance. So when the Lord compared His Message to that of the Prophets, He used Jonah as His example. (Luke11:29-32, Mt12:38-42) Upon hearing the Repentance message of Jonah the people Nineveh STOPPED sinning, shut down their city and Cried out to the Lord, assuming Nothing. Real Repentance includes a Season of godly sorrow in which the Pennant person STOPS or gets Clear of their Wrong Doings! (It Does Not happen after Salvation)

That’s why 2Cor7:11 Concludes by saying, “In ALL these things you PROVED yourselves to be CLEAR in this matter!” (Meaning PURE as in Acts15:9) THEREFORE a Genuine Repentance unto Saving Faith is PROVEN by DEEDS, Just as the Bible Says! Acts26:18. It’s NOT Repeating words, Receiving anything or Trusting in a concept.

You have been LIED to! Your Eyes are Closed to the Truth! OPEN them and TURN while Mercy is still available.

“To Open their Eyes and to TURN them from Darkness to Light and from the Power of Satan to God, that they May receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are Sanctified by Faith in Me!”

You MUST Break your Conditioning!!! Come Out from among them. Depart from Iniquity and Seek His Mercy. The Path will be Difficult and Narrow, every diversion under the sun will try to hinder your progress, including your own passions and desires. The Old man has to Die in Repentance…..DEAD TO SIN….(Rom6:4-6) The Body of Sin Done away with so that you are NO LONGER a Slave to Sin! You Come out of Repentance a NEW Creation in Christ. (2Cor5:17) Not Still addicted to it in need of ‘Christian Counseling’. You were NOT Born a Sinner! (You became addicted to sin by long practiced habit. Eph2:1-3)

The Love Gospel has the Process Backward. You supposedly get Saved in your sins and God cleans you up later. But admit it. DOES ANYONE Ever get Cleaned up? Many get worse, but None are released from their bondage. They fall under the Deception that sin humbles them and learn to Love the Message that they are poor sinners saved by Grace. Soon the Conscience is Seared and the heart waxed cold. The Light in them is Darkness and how Great is that Darkness! DON’T let it happen to you! Repent Now, like the People of Nineveh and find His Mercy.

Contact: www.standingthegap.org

This looked like a "form letter" to me, and something this man probably sent to a lot of people, thinking it was his ministry to do so. It contained a lot of "wordage" but the message seemed clear as I read it through. This man was claiming that WORKS were necessary for salvation, and that no one could be saved by faith alone in the atonement of Christ. He further denied the atonement of Jesus on man's behalf for man's sins. I wrote the man back in the following manner, trying to get to the main issue:

Dear Sir,

Thanks for writing back. I have read your treatise and am greatly saddened to see you deny the blood atonement of jesus Christ. If, what you say is true, then Jesus died for nothing on the cross, and I would ask you, "Why did he die?"

The Pauline epistles are clear, salvation is by FAITH alone without works. That's just Bible. You can explain it away if you like, but it's still in the Bible. And as far as imputed righeousness (a bible term) Paul is clear that when a man believes, God IMPUTES unto him HIS righteousness. How sad you choose to reject this plain and simple Bible teaching. (Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for Righteousness. Please Read Rom. 4:1-5, as these verses are very clear!)

You further stated:

"Think about it a moment. You believe that Jesus died on the Cross ‘in your place’ and took on Himself your sins and the penalty due them. If you TRUST in that, and perform whatever ritual the church you attend demands, you are Saved."

You have shown yourself of what you truly believe in this staement, but the simple little word "AND." For you write, "If you TRUST in that, AND perform..."

Salvation is not by faith AND works. It is by faith alone. To think you can add to it or perform something yourself to be saved or stay saved, is to say that what Jesus did on the cross amounts to nothing, and it is ineffective for you can get to heaven without his blood atonement. This is a slap in the face to Jesus who PAID IT ALL on Calvary.

However, you say that DEEDS are a factor in your salvation. This is not true. Either Jesus saves you or you save yourself. But you can never please God by your works, for they will always be the works of dirty, rotten, sinner. The only way to please God is by faith (Heb. 11:6 says For without FAITH it is impossible to please God), and that faith or TRUST must be in what Jesus did to pay for your sins in your place on your behalf. It is not what we DO to get us to heaven, it is what Jesus DID for us. For no one can get to heaven himself, and no one can be "good enough" to make it to heaven. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God!

You wrote:

"Does this Single Passage Capsulate the Gospel Message? Will you then merely ‘Believe’, and Trust that you have eternal life? Did you know that the Bible also says that the ‘Devils Believe’ and tremble? (James2:19) Are you then willing to stake your eternal destiny on the testimony of what men have said about John3:16? Is it Really ‘Faith Alone’ that Saves the Soul? Many think so, but the Real question is: ‘DID JESUS THINK SO?’ "

You are correct, the devils believe and tremble. But what do they believe? They believe that God exists, and they believe he died for sinners, but they believe it with their HEAD, not with their HEART, and they do not believe that Jesus did it for them!

You again are trying to make salvation based upon what man does. Good luck with that, because you'll never be saved, cause you'll never please God no matter how good of a life you live, cause you'll still be a sinner in need of forgiveness, and that forgiveness only comes through Jesus Christ's shed blood atonment and faith in it.

I believe that the modern church is very apostate. They do teach things that are foreign to the scriptures. Sadly, they often tell people just come to Jesus the best way they know how and ask him into their heart or beg him for forgiveness. But this is not salvation. You must TRUST what Jesus did for you on your BEHALF for your sins, the just for the unjust, so he might bring you to God (Remember in my last email I quoted 1 Peter 3:18 which mentions this).

So thank you for your response. But it's sad that you are so wrong. Sadder still that if you believe your works are essential to get you to heaven then you will not get there. You are lost and on your way to Hell, trusting in your own righteousness instead of the righteousness of God. You are the one who must REPENT, or turn from trusting in what you do hoping that will get you to heaven, to trusting solely, completely, and totally in what Jesus did for you.

Salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ and trusting his shed blood alone for forgiveness. When you trust, that moment you receive the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13) and it is he who helps you in your Christian life to overcome sin. But even though a sinner is saved, he can still sin. Look at the words of the apostle Paul in Romans chapter 7:

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

According to your argument, the apostle Paul is NOT saved, because he sins and does wrong. How sad.

Salvation saves a man's soul, but his body is still sinful and corrupt. It is at the rapture that he receives the redemption of his body (Eph. 4:30) and receives a glorified body.

So, Mr. I stand in doubt of you and your WORKS doctrine of salvation. Just like the Pharisees of old, your self-righteousness shows through, as you try to say that we have to DO things to get ourselves to heaven. If this be the case, then what Jesus DID means nothing. I reject such a foolish thing. So does Jesus!

Below are some verses that prove it's not by WORKS that we are saved or can stay saved, it's only by FAITH in the WORK OF GOD in paying for our sins in our place at Calvary, through the only means that God will accept--A BLOOD ATONEMENT.

Acts chapter 13:
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Col. chapter 1
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Gal. 2:

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Rom. 4:

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


I pray you will turn from your foolish way of denying the blood atonement of Jesus Christ and thinking you must WORK your way to heaven, for if you don't you'll split hell wide open when you die!

In the meantime, I'll do as I'm commanded in scriptures and "turn away" from such as you who deny the power of God (the Gospel), as instructed in 2 Tim. 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Further, I'll heed Jude chapter 1:

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I clearly find men like you in 2 Peter 2:

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

You need to read the Pauline epistles first, for Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles (Rom. 11:13), and his books are the heart of New Testament doctrine, and God revealed to him the Gospel, which is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-4:

15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

It is salvation by faith in what JESUS DID, not what we do to get us to heaven. Eph. 1 gives us a great truth:

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

When a man truly believes, he is saved by FAITH (trusting) and he receives the Holy Spirit of God, which seals him (Eph. 4:30). Salvation is ETERNAL LIFE. If you can lose it, it wasn't eternal. When a man is saved, he's ETERNALLY REDEEMED, all sins are forgiven, past, present, and future. He is a child of God, who has been BORN AGAIN.

So that's it. Congratulations if you've read this far. I doubt you will. But you need to be born again, for what you write makes is sound like you are not. If you think your righteousness will get you to heaven, you are sadly mistaken.

Below are some of my books online that you should read. They clearly present the "false gospel" preached in many churches today, and it shows the importance of the TRUE GOSPEL of salvation by FAITH in the BLOOD of Jesus Christ alone, plus nothing minus nothing.

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/hrsy_sin_pryr.htm

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/how_to_call_on_Lord.htm

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/import_of_blood.htm

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/where_is_blood.htm

I pray you are an honest seeker, and not a glory hound who will not study the truth, having his mind made up he's right and everyone else is wrong. And I pray you will get saved, for I don't want to see you go to Hell. Jesus doesn't either, that's why he DIED for your sins.

Sincerely,

Robert Breaker

This man with his "standing in the gap" ministry resplied to my email this way:

Robert, thank you so much for your desire to at least hear what I have to say, we both are at odds to what the word of God actually teaches about faith, works, salvation, repentance, etc... What you have done is take the word of God out of context, and out in your opinion, that ay have been formed many years ago, by other apostate pastors posing as men of God, what you send will not convince me, we are saved in our sins, or that we must earn anything, I repent, seek His mercy, and follow Him because I love Him and want to please Him, not earn anything.

I wont include anymore scriptures for you to twist to fit your agenda, and false teaching, the articles I sent you were a warning for you to repent and teach the truth, which may leave you without your followers who want their ears tickled by your save in sin gospel.

I assure you I am not preaching works salvation, but, repentance proved by deeds, and a working faith in love.

its sad to see a teacher of truth as you say you are, take and twist the truth into lies, and then accuse me of preaching works salvation.

One thing, say you are married, and you fell into adultery, behind your wife's back, she found out, and you felt bad about what you did to her, now in your teaching you are actually saying, you can continue in your adultery, while expecting your wife to forgive you. It doesn't work that way, you must put your sin to death, through repentance, then seek your wife's mercy, asking and pleading for her forgiveness, and not assuming she will forgive you. Do you think God turns His back on our wicked sin, allowing His holy spirit to fill a dirty vessel? No way.

One more thing you didn't get from what I sent, Christ died on the cross to ransom us from the bondage of sin, to bring us from the darkness to the light, and to put to death the sins that lead to death, FIRST, before we can assume He will forgive us, this isn't earning anything, this is an obedient faith, that works through genuine repentance, leading to salvation.

If you would only take the time to see what the early church taught on this you would clearly never taught, this instant sinners prayer salvation, they never taught, imputed righteousness, moral transfer, election, we are just sinners saved by grace.

Remember Robert, the road is narrow, we must put to death our flesh, Gal 2-20, first, then seek His mercy, not just receive, believe, trust, and confesses our sins, NO, we must put the sins to death first, seek His mercy, not to earn anything from God, we assume nothing, and making Christ our cover for all our sins because we are just poor sinners saved by grace, is a lie I am afraid.

And if you believe which I can assume you do, all our sins are forgiven, past, present and future because Jesus took out wrath on the cross, then you believe one can never lose their salvation, thus you are preaching saved in sin, we can live as vile sinners, and still make it into heaven.

Ditch the reformed teachings you hold dear to, get back to what the early church actually taught on these issues, and remember what Jesus taught as well as Paul and the apostles, is totally opposite of what the reformed teachers taught, that has now infested most to all the churches today, how sad.

I also have great peace now, because I take no pride in my works, but thank My God daily for His great mercy bestowed upon me, while I lived the lie, thinking I was just a wretched sinner saved by grace, and that I could continue in unrepentant sins that lead to death and still make it onto heaven, this Robert isn't works, but the heart of a man, who has come to the end of self, forsaken the world and its vast entertainments, and worldliness, and paganism, and come into a saving faith, not produced from my works, but from my heart, and gratitude, for His great mercy and grace, its a pleasure for me now to obey His work, keep myself on the narrow road, which FEW will find, and a few means a few, not millions who attend Billy Graham crusades, say a simple, ABC prayer and their in like Flynn.

Your teachings encourage people to stay lukewarm I am afraid, I know you believe what you wrote to be true, lets just pray for each other, as we will not change each others mind, but I pray you understand my heart and passion to be obedient to my Lord, following Him on the narrow Road.

Sincerely,

Tommy

I've read this through several times. This guy says he's not trusting in his works, but from what he says, it looks like he's trusting in his works, or the fact that he doesn't sin, or that he "repents" when he does sin. I wrote him back like this:

Thank you Tommy. I will defintely pray for you.

I do see where you are coming from though. there are lots of people who think, "I'm saved, and all my sins are forgiven so I can do what ever I want, and then they do!" I believe that's the wrong attitude! They ought to live holy because they are saved, and want to live holy because they appreciate what Jesus did for them.

I believe you work for Christ because you are saved, not to get or stay saved. It sounds like your position is you must have works to prove you are saved. With this I agree. By your fruits you shall know them. But you take it to such an extreme that you make it sound like you think a person's salvation depends upon their works. This is wrong.

But I'll not argue with you.

I do agree that when a person sins, he should repent. Clearly. But let me ask you a question. WHAT IS REPENTANCE? It is a word that means many things to many people. How do you define it?

I am very much against the Sinner's Prayer, and the shallow soul winning of today of just trying to get a person to quickly repeat a prayer. I believe a person must first HEAR and then UNDERSTAND the Gospel, and then receive it from their heart by REPENTANCE (which I define as the Bible does, turning from trusting their righteousness to Christ's righteousness).

So I'll close with this. All my beliefs and all yours aside. When you die and stand eye ball to eye ball with Jesus Christ and he says, "Why should I let you into heaven?" How will you respond? I will respond in only two words. How about you. I would be interested in hearing your answer to this question.

Robert

So far I've asked the man several questions, and he never answered them. Yet, I answered all of his questions. So after sending the above email, I was hoping to finally hear his answer to my question. But, instead, I received the follow response to my email under the title of "message denied:"

Your message was NOT accepted by recipient. You were warned, and sent the truth.

So according to this man, the TRUTH is that Jesus is not the substitute for our sins in on place dying for our sins on our behalf. He further believes that you do not get saved by FAITH alone, and he says that we should listen to LOGIC rather than the Bible. Can you say "C-R-A-Z-Y?" There is only one thing we can say about a man like this: He's a FALSE PROPHET! And, I can't help but wonder if a person like this isn't lead by "SEDUCING SPIRITS" (DEMONS!) when he denies the atonement of Jesus Christ and salvation by faith alone.

I can only hope God will open his eyes and he will get saved.

Why People Who Claim to Be Christians Fall

I've been working hard at trying to take all the books I've written and update them, reading and rewritting them so they are worthy to be published. I've gone through and submitted them and now some of them are already for sale! You can go to my bookstore to look through them if you want, the link is:

http://www.rrb3.com/bookstore/bookstore_index.htm

Anyway, I've got several commentaries I've written, these include those on the book of 1 Thessalonians (although it's still not finished), James, 1 Peter, and 2 Peter. I've gone back and reread these and updated them some, and while I was working on 2 Peter, I noticed something that made me think. That's what I want to talk about in this blog. I think it's very pertinent for our day and age, especially as Christians and Churches sink deeper and deeper into apostasy. So, what I've learned I'll share with you here. I hope this will be a blessing to you, and as Peter said it his epistle, it will help you to "grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 3:18)

So here's the verse that set me thinking, with the capitalization being my emphasis on the words:

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, YE SHALL NEVER FALL: (2 Peter 1:10)

Here we are told by the apostle Peter that there are some things that if you do, you shall never fall, or backslide. This verse really jumped out at me. I don't want to fall as a Christian. I don't want to backslide. I want to be a good Christian, standing firm in truth and living for my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

But as I looked at the verse, I thought to myself, "What are those things of which he speaks that can keep me from falling?"

I looked at the context and I found the things of which he spoke were found in the verses above, and there were seven things mentioned in total. They are:

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

Peter here tells us to give ALL DILIGENCE to the following things which he says will keep a Christian from falling: 1. VIRTUE, 2. KNOWLEDGE, 3. TEMPERANCE, 4. PATIENCE, 5. GODLINESS, 6. BROTHERLY KINDNESS, and 7. CHARITY.

As I looked up each of these in the dictionary I almost wanted to cry. For, so few who claim to be Christians today actually have these characteristics, much less practice them. Why is this?

I looked back up at verse four in the context and read these words:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

There is, then, a contrast between those in the world (worldly people) and those who are Christians (partakers of the divine nature). It says that Christians have ESCAPED the corruption of the world and no longer LUST after the things of the world. So obviously the world has fallen because the world doesn't have these things.

If this be true, why then are so many who claim to be Christians today so different from the list of the seven things that Peter gave which will keep a Christian from falling? Instead of virtue, many Christians are full of vice. Instead of knowledge, many are so very ignorant of even the most basic of Bible doctrines. Instead of temperant, many Christians are given to excess. Instead of patience, most are strongly impatient. Instead of godly most are inmoral. Instead of brotherly love and kindess, we find such cruelty and bickering among Christians. And instead of charity there is so much apathy and malice.

In short, it's hard to find anyone nowadays who claims to be a Christian who has all these attributes that Peter lists.

But what's worse was when I came to the verses right after those seven things listed by Peter:

8 For IF THESE THINGS BE IN YOU, and ABOUND, they make you that ye shall neither be BARREN nor UNFRUITFUL in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is BLIND, and CANNOT SEE afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

One would be very hard pressed to find a Christian today with all seven of these things, but imagine a Christian who not only has these things, but they ABOUND IN him. Wow!

But notice even further that the Scripturs teach us that those who don't have these things are called BLIND. They cannot SEE. They have lost their VISION.

To me this is so very sad, for I see Christians today who claim to be great men of God who are out attacking one another, devouring one another, calling names, and putting others down. While they claim to be "men of God" being used of God, yet they are barren and unfruitful in God's eyes.

But how can this be? How on earth could they even think to call themselves CHRISTIANS when they act the way they do?

What's worse is others who follow these men actually think that by doing what they are doing in namecalling and character assassinating others, that they are STANDING STRONG IN THE FAITH. In other words, they think that a man's meaness means he's a strong Christian. But that's not what the verses above say! If anything, the meaner the Christian, the sooner he's going to FALL according to these verses above, for he is BLIND and can't SEE.

Could it be, then, that's those who claim to be Christians but instead of being virtuous, kind, temperate, and charitable, and are rather cold, hard, and angry are then not truly Christians at all? Could it be?

If they are Christians, they are not good examples of it. And they had better watch out, because the less CHARITY they have, the more blind they'll become and the sooner they'll fall.

With this in mind, I've decided I'm not interested in attacking others personally, whether they claim to be Christians or not. I just don't find in the Bible that that's the CHRISTIAN WAY of doing things.

Instead, I find that we should attack a person's FALSE DOCTRINES if what they are preaching is against the word of God. We might not agree with other Christians, but that doesn't give us a right to put them down and attack them personally. Instead of making it a matter of me against them, or them against me, it should be about WHAT DOES HE TEACH ABOUT SO AND SO AND WHY? If he teaches something contrary to scripture, we should repudiate his false teaching and expose it from the Scriptures. We should not downgrade, ridicule, and lamblast the man, for he just might be right on other things. We should instead say, SO AND SO TEACHES THUS AND SO, BUT THE BIBLE TEACHES THUSLY. That's not an attack! Rather that's the BIBLE verse THEM, not me against them.

In closing, I find that Modern Christianity is not being destroyed by Satan. Nor is it the government or the outside world that is shutting down the Church and bringing it to an end. Rather it is BLIND CHRISTIANS or those who claim they are such, that are falling themselves, and it is they who are making the church come to naught.

They are not following the Apostle Peter in that list of those seven things he claimed that we should give ALL DILIGENCE to.

Rather they are carnal men who with carnal practices claim to serve the Lord. But shouldn't we be busy trying to walk in the Spirit and serving God in the Spirit, and not in the flesh?

I'll let you decide. All I know is I want to give more DILIGENCE in being more virtuous, knowledgeable, temperant, patient, godly, kind, and charitable. I pray that you too would desire and practice the same.

My new bookstore

Well, I'm finally learning how to do this whole "Internet" Highway, bookstore, commerce, thingy. Yep, I'm finally getting with the times, albiet kicking and screaming. (How I miss the old times when there wasn't an internet.)

Anyway, I've learned how to print my books and have them printed. I've also learned how to put them on my website and put them up for sale via Amazon.com, so anyone can buy them.

I'm still working on them and slowly getting them all up. Hopefully, I'll have them all posted soon.

If you are interested in perusing my works, please go to my book store at:

http://www.rrb3.com/bookstore/bookstore_index.htm

Focusing on Each Other Instead of Focusing on the Issue

I think probably the greatest tool that Satan has is to get people's eyes off of what's happening and getting people's eyes on one another.

As I watch American Politics, I see this is exactly what's happening today with the whole "debt" issue. Democrats are against Republicans and will not pass or sign anything they put out. Republicans are the same way. Thus, they only do what's best for their party. They focus on EACH OTHER instead of on the important ISSUE. They are not interested in what's right and what's best for the country. They are only intersested in themselves and furthering their political careers. Because of this, they are at a standstill, a deadlock, neither one wanting to give an inch, and neither one wanting to compromise with the other. Thus, Satan has won, as nothing can be done.

And who suffers for it? The American People.

Sadly, there is politics in the Church as well. And, all too often this politics mirrors the national politics in Washington. Just as politicians focus on one another rather than on the issue, so too Pastors, Missionaries, Evangelists, etc. focus on one another. And often, they are only interested in making themselves or their "camp" or "Bible College affiliation" look good, while lamblasting and putting down others. This is why there is so much bitter infighting among "Independent Baptist" Preachers. They don't get along, and it's because they focus on EACH OTHER rather than on the differences that supposedly divide them.

Instead of having Bible Studies and looking at truth, and discussing it, most Indies (what I call Independent Baptists) will not even crack open their Bibles and look at it with other ministers. They claim to be Bible Believers, but they refuse to have Bible Studies with others.

Instead they focus on the man himself. Once they find something they can use as an excuse to make someone they don't like look bad, or find a way to make them look not as spiritual as themselves, or somehow make them look stupid, then they can write that person off, and not even look at what that person is teaching. But what if that person has a good point?

The Independent Baptist's answer is: "So what! Who Cares!" And the person is blackballed and his doctrine, ideas, and words are not even looked at.

This is sad, but this is rampant in our churches today. Instead of unity in Christ and uniting around what the Scriptures teach, there is much dissention and division in Christian circles, and very little charity.

I speak from experience. This is what happened to me. I was part of a big Independent Baptist movement. But someone lied about me, and told people I was crazy and such. They said, "Bro. Breaker is against PRAYER all together!"

But that is simply not so. However, because they said it, and they focused on ME instead of on my teaching (which is nothing more than sound Bible Doctrine), I was blackballed and they told those within their group not to even listen to me at all. The focus was on ME, not on the scriptures.

Next, they told people things like, "Breaker has gone off the deep end!"

And finally, they LIED by saying that I called my old Pastor a "heretic." But I never said such a thing. Those were words that a person tried to put in my mouth that I never uttered.

Thus, the focus was on me, not on my teaching. I was a "crazy person" teaching false doctrine in their eyes, and I was ridiculed, mocked, and made fun of. But never once was what I was teaching looked at by any of them.

However, what I was teaching was nothing more than what I was taught from the Bible by the very man who turned against me! I went back and read his commentaries, his tracts, even a letter of his to my own father, and they all confirmed that what he once taught is what I'm teaching, and that I was not the one who changed.

The problem was that he and his croonies had changed and I had not. But I could not turn the focus on them. They would not allow it. If I tried to say, "You have changed your position," then I was labeled the crazy person who was speaking foolishly and the heretic that no one should listen to. They even attacked my credibility, and claimed I wasn't a Pastor, I never led anyone to the Lord, and I never started any Churches in Honduras.

That was fine with me. If they wanted to lie about me and discredit me, not problem. I know it's a lie and so does Jesus. But it does hurt some, especially since they were drawing a line and pushing me across it and telling others not to go along with me in anything.

Truly, I can't wait till the Judgment Seat of Christ, so that God will show them they were wrong.

But that's not important now. What is important is the issue itself.

The Issue once more is this, "Can a person be saved by prayer, and is it possible for a person to be tricked into trusting in their Prayer rather than trusting in Jesus Christ's shed blood alone for salvation?"

The answer is: "No on is saved by their prayer, and YES A PERSON CAN BE DECEIVED INTO THINKING THEIR PRAYER SAVES THEM!" This is exactly what happened to me. It also happened to my wife, and it's happened to many others.

In our day and age of "shallow soulwinning" in which a "soul winner" gives a person a presentation of only three or four verses from the Roman's road and then quickly pressures them to "Repeat a Prayer," it is common to see people tricked or deceived into thinking they are saved BY their prayer. That is they think the prayer itself is the SAVING MEDIUM.

This leads to a person eventually doubting whether they are saved or not, and the remedy for this by those same "soul winners" is for them to just "say the Prayer over again for ASSURANCE." Oftentimes, people pray the prayer over and over again night after night, HOPING they'll be saved because of it. But are they? Are they?

That's the issue, but nobody will touch it. Nobody wants to think that Churches are full of people like I was, who might have sincerely prayed a prayer, but have never been born again. It's because they are trusting in what they've DONE (their prayer), and not in what Jesus DID FOR THEM (in dying on the cross in their place for their sins.)

This "1-2-3, repeat after me" type of soulwinning often does more harm than good, as it does not give a clear presentation of the Gospel. Often, many are left thinking their prayer saves them. But where is this in the Bible? People like this are not saved. They cannot be. For if they trust their prayer, then they trust their own righteousness, and not Christ's alone.

But where are those faithful ministers of the Gospel who are pointing this out? They are few and far between. They don't want to "rock the boat." They just want to go along with what everyone else is doing, especially when it's easy to get a person to "repeat a prayer" and doing so makes it easier to "BRAG UPON YOURSELF and HOW GOOD OF A SOUL WINNER YOU ARE!" (Modern Christianity has become a "braggers club" and it's no longer about Jesus and what he's done for Sinners, rather it's about you and what you do for Jesus.)

So we see the focus is not on the Issue, rather on the man. People who talk like I do, are looked upon as "anti-soul winning." But that's not the case! I am very much for Soul Winning! I'm just against doing it in a shallow manner in which a person can end up deceived into thinking they are saved when they aren't!

But very few want to look at this issue. It's just easier to label someone a "Calvinist" who doesn't do things the same way you do. (I'm very much against Calvinism, by the way!).

So who gets hurt when the focus turns from the issue itself to attacking each other personally? Why lost Sinner's of course. They are the ones losing out. For they are left LOST and still going to Hell, but no one seems to care enough about them to make sure they are presenting them the Gospel clearly, and instructing them plainly to TRUST THE BLOOD OF JESUS ALONE for salvation.

But I care. I care a lot about lost souls. I truly want them to be saved. I also care about lost religious people who think they are saved, but aren't. I want to see them saved as well.

But once again, when I say something like that, the PHARISEES will bypass the issue and go straight to focusing on me, saying things like, "Oh, you just want to talk people out of their salvation! That's all you are interested in."

But that's not true at all! If a person is saved, I don't want to cause doubt. However, at the same time, as I read the scriptures, I see that a person who is saved will have assurance. So could it be that those who don't have assurance aren't saved to begin with, and they are the ones who truly need to be saved?

In closing, it's sad to see how focusing on each other instead of on the issue itself has led not only to the downfall of America and its economy, but also to the downfall of the Church as well. Because "politicians," both secular and religious, would rather play their silly games and exalt themselves in the eyes of others, people get hurt. In American politics, those who get hurt are the American taxpayers, who are asked to pay higher taxes for the stupid spending of those in power. But why should we have to pay for their mistakes and mismanagement funds?

In the religious world, the pride of ministers wanting to be looked upon as right while everyone else is wrong has led to a false gospel and a deceitful plan of salvation which gets a Sinner to DO something with their lips, without trusting only in what Jesus has DONE from the heart. And, even though this method makes the soul winner look good in the eyes of the "brethren" by counting how many people he's gotten to "repeat him in prayer," it doesn't really get a lot of folks truly saved. Instead, lost people suffer for it, as many of them get a false assurance of salvation, thinking they are going to heaven based upon their prayer, rather than on the Biblical means of faith from the heart.

Sadly, the issue is never dealt with. Politicians don't deal with the national debt, and get it paid off completely, and most Preachers don't deal with man's sin debt, pointing him to the shed blood of Christ that paid for it.

Instead, they are happy attacking on another, exalting themselves, and forgetting about the important issues.

Truly the Judgment will be terrifying for such men who only care about themselves rather than truly caring about others enough to deal with the issue so that they might be saved.

For more about THE REAL ISSUE of salvation and the sad deception of deceiving people into trusting their PRAYERS instead of in Christ Jesus' bloody PROPITIATION for man's sins, go to:

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/hrsy_sin_pryr.htm

This deals with the ISSUE at hand.

An ample quote about Government

I haven't written a lot lately. We are struggling like everybody else from the failed policies of our national leaders. I almost want to just move back to Honduras and live there illegally. At least then I could open a little "pulperia" (small store) in my house and live off the proceeds. And, I wouldn't even have to pay any taxes on it! What a great country!

Anyway, I found a quote today that I thought was worthy of mentioning. It is as follows:

"The sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the employment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression."

That quote was by Ezra Taft Benson, as he paraphrased the constitution of the state of Alabama, of which I am a resident.

Notice the words together, "life, liberty, and PROPERTY." These were the original words in the Declaration of Independence, written by Jefferson. However, he later changed his rough draft and instead of leaving the important word "property" he changed it to the phrase, "the pursuit of happiness." And, we have been suffering ever since! Thanks Karl Marx! (I say sarcastically, because it was Marx who said that people's property, is rightfully theirs and was given them by GOD himself, was to be taxed. That's right. Marx believed in taxing what GOD has given to man. How wicked!)

Our government no longer believes in or practices the Declaration of Independence. In fact, our nation is a nation of DEPENDENTS. That's why this whole debt debate is going on today. Demoncrats are trying to hold on to entitlements, which are nothing more than government money given to people.

But what about life, liberty, and property? Well, the government is fast on the track of taking them all away. They can get your property easily. Don't believe it? Just don't pay your "property tax" and see what happens. Plus, with their laws which allow them to enter your home without a warrant they can take whatever property of yours that they want. They further have taken our liberties and are continually doing so. They are spying on people via internet and phone with massive envasions of privacy. They further and passing more and more laws which take away our rights.

All they have left is the "life" one. And with the new healthcare bill, with the "Death Panels" they can not only FORCE you to get and pay for healthcare, but then they set themselves up as gods on a panel to decide whether or not you are worthy to receive it. If it costs too much, then you'll be left without, probably dying much sooner than you might have had you been able to receive treatment.

Yep, what a mess! And that's not all. Did you know that the national debt has increased almost 6 trillion dollars (that's right 6 TRILLION) in just the last several years. Let me make that a little more clear: In just the last several years under the Obama adminstration. The national debt is now 14 TRILLION dollars and counting. If you take that and divide it among every household in America, that comes up to about 35,000 per family. But you know what's interesting? That 6 Trillion of "bailouts" that Obomba's administration has given away to corporations cost the American taxpayer about 17,000 each. That means, they could have just given a check for 17,000 dollars to every American instead of giving it away to banks and corporations deemed "too big to fail," and we still would be at the very same debt level today.

Can you imagine what would have happened if "we the people" received that money instead of the rich international bankers and corrupt wall street executives?

But it didn't happen. The corporations got the money. And, hey, aren't those the "bad guys" if you're a Communist? Aren't they the ones you are supposed to be against? I could have sworn that if you were a socialist, then the "free market" capitalist businesses were your enemy. Hmmm. So why did the government help them out?

So how do we fix this mess? Well, the demoncrats and the Pres are telling us we need to raise taxes. Oh, so we the people need to be the ones to fix this by forking over even more cash, and that will solve the problem. Wait..., what? Wait a minute! Why should we pay for Washington's mess?

I'm not in favor of raising taxes. That is, unless we start with the POLITICIANS first!!! (Have you seen the average salary a senator and representative make?)

Then we could tax corporations, but only those with ties to Washington like GE which because of tax loopholes paid NO TAXES AT ALL last year. Yeah, then we could tax the Federal Reserve. Why not? They are a PRIVATE CORPORATION and not really "federal" at all. We ought to make them pay for using the term "federal" when there's nothing federal about them. Further, we ought to tax the snot out of them for printing phony money out of nothing and then charging us interest for it.

Next, we should tax special interest groups that claim to be "non-profit" but seek profit for a selective few. You know, like SEIU, ACORN, NAACP, etc.

But then they'd probably have a heart attack and get their feelings hurt, running around and claiming "discrimination" and "racism." Yet they can be racist themselves and it's not a problem.

Is anyone seeing a pattern here? Wait a minute! I'm starting to get it. It's starting to sink in. Let's see if I can pen it down just right: "If you are in cahoots with the government, you get tax breaks, and even hand outs, but if you aren't a part of it, then you get taxed and taken from." Isn't that just about the jist of it?

That takes me back to my original quote above:

"The sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the employment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression."

When the government gets richer while making you poorer that has to be the very essence of tyranny.