I just read your salvation plan, and want to ask you if you would consider answering a few questions to what you are teaching as truth.
1, Does one have to stop sinning to be saved, such as porn watching, fornication, a thief, drunkard, to receive the mercy of God and forgiveness? (through true biblical repentance)
2, Is Christ our substitution or our example to follow, another words did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness, or to ransom us from the bondage's of sin, putting to death by His blood the works of the devil, so we can nor follow His example?
Thank you for your time.
Question 1: "Does one have to stop sinning to be saved, such as porn watching, fornication, a thief, drunkard, to receive the mercy of God and forgiveness?"
Answer: According to the Bible, salvation is not by what you DO (i.e. stop sinning to get or stay saved), it's by receiving by FAITH what Jesus Christ has already DONE for you on the cross of Calvary. Eph. 2:8,9 state: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Notice salvation is by FAITH, and not anything you do of yourself. It is a GIFT of God, not of WORKS, and it's not something you can BOAST about (like saying, look what I stopped doing!)
Should you stop doing those things? BY ALL MEANS YES! We shouldn't do those things at all. But salvation is not dependent upon what you do or don't do, it's dependent upon whether or not you choose to accept what Jesus DID for you when he died on the cross to pay for your sins of "porn watching, fornication, thievery, drunkeness, etc."
Repentance means two things: 1. To feel sorry for something and 2. To turn from one thing to another. That's what repentance is. Do you feel sorry for putting Christ Jesus on the cross? For it was your sins that placed him there. And are you willing to turn from trusting yourself to trusting in Jesus alone for salvation?
Question 2: "Is Christ our substitution or our example to follow, another words did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness, or to ransom us from the bondage's of sin, putting to death by His blood the works of the devil, so we can nor follow His example?"
Answer: Good question! The answer is he is both! He died for our sins as our substitute. 1 Peter 3:18 is a good verse: "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit." Notice this verse says that Jesus suffered for our sins. He was the just, we are the unjust. He was our substitute dying for OUR sins in OUR place. However, yes, he is also a great example for us to follow. We should follow him and try to live like he did. We should try to live a holy life.
You ask, "did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness or to ransom us from the bondage of sin, putting to death by his blood the works of the Devil..."?
He did die to PAY for our sins. However, we must accept his payment by faith in order to be forgiven personally and have our sins washed away. He is only our righteousness when we receive him by faith, then and only then does he make us righteous. His blood did not "put to death the works of the Devil." I don't know where you got that. The devil is still alive today and working in doing evil all the time. And Yes, Jesus wants us to separate ourselves from sin, however, we are still sinners. There are only two types of sinners: Saved Sinners and Lost Sinners. In other words, Sinners who have been born again and Sinners who have not been born again. Which are you?
Romans 3:25-28 below are some good verses that should answer your questions better than I could...
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Notice it says that Christ is our PROPITIATION (or substitute) THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. Is your faith in his blood? It says that when you trust his blood, you are declaring HIM righteous, and not yourself. It is Jesus who justifies us by faith, not by our own works, and not by the deeds of the law.
Hope this answers your questions.
Thank you Robert for your honest answers, I know what you sent you believe with all your heart, and teach it to many, but I cannot accept what you wrote as truth, you have been greatly deceived, and deceiving many.
The true Gospel is simple, and I send you these tract's that can save you from your errors if you take it to heart, repent from your false teachings, and seek mercy while you can. 2 Corin 7-10!
Everything But the Truth!
You are standing on a foundation made of Straw. By the slick use of Language the ultimate ruse has been perpetrated on mankind and deeply ground into his physic. It concerns forgiveness of sins by God, better known as the ‘Atonement’ With a Vast majority of the people on earth in the so-called ‘Christian’ camp, this subject is of the utmost importance to their eternal well being.
Most Christians (of all the various groups) believe that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, came to earth as a Man and died on the Cross ‘in their place’, to forgive the sins of the World. Whereas He made ‘Atonement’ for them and ‘IF’ they Trust and Receive His free Gift they are ‘Saved’ from the Wrath of God and destined for eternal paradise at the end. Thus this is the end to all their Preaching and Evangelism, throughout the entire world, regardless which group or Doctrinal System they are derived from.
The idea behind this ‘Atonement’ is based on a Substitution, Representation Model established firmly in ‘Reformed’ theology. Most of the Preaching however is very much simplified in the Pulpits at a human level so that it will appeal to the minds of the people. The more complicated issues of Doctrine are avoided to maintain an aura of Mystery about the things of God. Thereby a person need not understand the whole spectrum of theology behind it all, just ‘Accept’ it as Truth.
In this manner most Professing Christians are able to have a degree of assurance that God has genuinely forgiven their Sins and will take them to Heaven when they die; Although they remain vile sinners here on earth, hopelessly addicted to their base Nature (born into them) and unable to ever cease from sinning daily in thought, word and deed. Accordingly the ‘Representation’ aspect of their belief System supports this conclusion with flying colors! If Jesus Stands ‘in my Stead’ and suffers the Punishment I deserve what remains to be done? He has Done it all, in my place because I was ‘UNABLE’ to do it myself. My ‘TRUST’ seals the transaction and now God can no longer hold me accountable for my sins. (even though I continue in them.)
By design the ‘Christian’ Religion has set forth a VERY POOR example to the World for any real Moral uprightness in the people who profess it. And the reason is quit Simple. They have foolishly embraced a Massive Fallacy concerning the ATONEMENT! One that removes the guilt of their sin without actually removing the sin itself. Consequently the Jesus they believe in serves as a Representative ‘in their place’ NOT as an example to follow after. (1Pet2:21) The Condition of this supposed Salvation is founded on the ‘Not of Works’ mantra. So the Vast Majority of professed Christians trust in a God that requires nothing of them (but to believe) and will not hold them accountable for their on going wrong doings. When pure common sense dictates to the human mind that everyone will Reap what they have sown. (Gal6:7-8)
Hence Logic is removed from the equation. People can hold to ANY System of Doctrine in the Christian religion as long as it is based on this fallacy. But the entire structure of this system comes crashing down on the interpretation of a simple ‘Preposition’ If my hope of Salvation is based on Jesus dying on the Cross ‘FOR’ me, Does that mean ‘in my place’, ‘instead of me’ OR ‘ON MY BEHALF’ ? Does it Matter which definition I believe in, on whether or not I’m really Saved from my sin? When it comes to True Redemption, it matters a GREAT deal!
Atonement founded on Substitution means that the retributive Justice of God has been poured out on Jesus instead of me. It also means (in most interpretations) that the Moral Righteousness and Obedience of Christ is transferred to me by faith. Once I trust in this arrangement there is Nothing to secure my own Obedience to God or motivate me to follow His example. Everything has been done ‘in advance’,. My sins, Past, Present and Future are ‘Done away’ on the Cross with Jesus. The only thing that changed is my Status with God who has now reconciled Himself to my sinful ‘Condition’. My Justification is secured in Christ and cannot be reversed.
However IF indeed the truth is that He died ‘ON MY BEHALF’ as an Offering for Sin, (as Christians believed for the first 1000 years of their existence) then the Retributive Justice of God has NOTHING to do with it. Therefore Redemption is based on a ‘Return to Favor’ on Condition of me forsaking my sins and obeying God. The entire process turns on a faith PROVEN by DEEDS, (Acts26:18-20) just as the Bible Says.
In Repentance I die with Christ (to sin) and my heart is made PURE by Faith Working by Love! Now I Obey God Cleansed, Purged and Scrubbed Clean of all my overflow of wickedness and defilement able to Receive with meekness the implanted Word that can Save my Soul. (Rom6:4-6, James1:21-23) I Come Sorrowing after the Mercy of God, CLEARED of my wrong doings by forsaking them and making restitution where necessary. Vehemently desiring in my heart to Obey Him with great zeal, presuming nothing and plead for Reconciliation. (This is the Model of Redemption set forth in the Bible! 2Cor7:10-11)
A FAR Cry from someone swapping places with me and Magically transferring the Virtue of Christ to my account. The Substitution Changes God by appeasing His Wrath (which is spent on Jesus) while Man remains unchanged still a ‘sinner’ by Nature. All Because of the faulty translation of a simple preposition, that common sense and logic show throughout the Scriptures that it is Something Done on one’s BEHALF NOT ‘in their place’. (Gal3:13) This is the reason people will jump through fiery hoops to Conjecturally prove their Doctrinal theories are true and that the Bible cannot be taken in a Literal sense especially when Obedience and Purity are involved. (1Tim1:5)
Think about it a moment. You believe that Jesus died on the Cross ‘in your place’ and took on Himself your sins and the penalty due them. If you TRUST in that, and perform whatever ritual the church you attend demands, you are Saved. The remainder of your new ‘Christian’ life is now relational whereas no further condemnation can befall you. That was taken care of on the Cross. Neat arrangement, BUT unfortunately it was invented in the Mind of man, not God.
On the other hand IF Jesus offered Himself ‘for my sin’ and became a Curse on ‘my behalf’ (Gal3:13, 2Cor5:21) I now have the opportunity to approach God for Reconciliation, in Repentance and faith and plead for His Mercy. The heart change comes ‘in the process’ of my godly sorrow for sin. Therefore I TOUCH the Blood of Christ in reality and DIE ‘WITH’ Him by Example and become Truly Purified by Faith! (Heb9:14) A HUGE DIFFERENCE in the outcome, wouldn’t you say? In the Former I’m Cloaked and Covered in my sins. In the Latter I am Released from my bondage to sin and saved from its Corrupting influence. The Works of the Devil are Destroyed! (1John3:8)
Thus the True Meaning of Bible Redemption: ‘Release from bondage by Payment of Ransom!’ What Jesus did on the Cross was NOT take anyone’s place, BUT Provide Himself as an Offering to Ransom Man and turn him from Darkness to Light, from the Power of Satan to God! Hence the ‘Works’ of the Devil are Destroyed and Man can be Restored to an upright heart. Now the Bible makes sense! DEEDS will be the deciding factor in your final Salvation, not some mystical Trust in an illusion. (Rom2:7-8, 1Pet1:17)
Professed Christians today are believing ‘Everything’ but the Truth. Simply because most of them have NEVER been exposed to the truth. It’s an unfortunate reality however that their belief Systems has a very Strong tendency to Silence their Conscience to the Convicting Power of the Holy Spirit. Thus when they do hear the Truth it cannot Cut them to the heart so that they would be motivated to Repent. When a person is convinced that some form of Doctrine is Correct, it is almost impossible to persuade them otherwise. To them the Bible Supports their fallacies and absolves them from and further punishment.
Will You Repent?
“God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” John3:16
Does this Single Passage Capsulate the Gospel Message? Will you then merely ‘Believe’, and Trust that you have eternal life? Did you know that the Bible also says that the ‘Devils Believe’ and tremble? (James2:19) Are you then willing to stake your eternal destiny on the testimony of what men have said about John3:16? Is it Really ‘Faith Alone’ that Saves the Soul? Many think so, but the Real question is: ‘DID JESUS THINK SO?’
Jesus said that NOT Everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord will Enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who DOES the Will of My Father in heaven! Matt7:21. Is Doing the Will of God merely ‘Believing’ in Jesus? Again, many will tell you so. But yet Christ Himself answered the question of who would be Saved in Luke13:24, He said: “STRIVE to enter the Narrow Gate, for Many, I say to you, will Seek to Enter and NOT be Able!”
Your Churches tell you ‘Seek and you shall find’ but that’s only a PART of this Message. If you fail to STRIVE (that is put forth a strenuous effort in the face of all adversity) you Will NOT Enter. WHY? Because not only is the Gate Narrow it is also DIFFICULT and only a FEW will be able to find it. Matt7:14. No wonder the Apostle Peter proclaimed to the Saints that the ‘Righteous’ are Scarcely Saved!’ 1Pet4:18, or More Clearly: ‘Saved with GREAT Difficulty.’ It certainly appears that he understood the Gospel Message of His Lord in plain language.
Further is the aspect of ‘Repentance’, Preached as the Basic fundamental Message from the Start. When Jesus described those coming to Him at the Judgment, claiming good works done in His Name, He called them ‘Workers’ of Iniquity! (Matt7:22-23) They were Not among the FEW who had ‘Departed from Iniquity’ (2Tim2:19)
Under the God so loved the World Gospel, NO ONE is Departing from their Iniquity. In fact they are being taught the Very Opposite! That you come to Christ ‘in your sins’ He Receives you and Cleans you up later.
Is this REALLY what the Bible teaches? Are you Certain it’s Correct? Your Soul is hanging in the balance.
EVERYWHERE the Message of Repentance includes a Clearing of Wrong Doing BEFORE Pardon can be granted. (2Cor7:10-11) Surly this is an extremely Difficult concept for you to accept, having sit under the ‘Love’ Gospel for so long. But it’s TRUE none the less. John the Baptist and Christ Himself followed the Prophets and called for this kind of Repentance as the Single Condition to be Reconciled to God and enter the Kingdom. (Matt3:-10, Lk3:8)
Isaiah said: “Let the Wicked forsake his ways and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Let him RETURN to the Lord and He will have Mercy on him. For He will abundantly pardon.” Isa55:7
Hundreds of Passages could be cited proclaiming the exact Same Message of Repentance. So when the Lord compared His Message to that of the Prophets, He used Jonah as His example. (Luke11:29-32, Mt12:38-42) Upon hearing the Repentance message of Jonah the people Nineveh STOPPED sinning, shut down their city and Cried out to the Lord, assuming Nothing. Real Repentance includes a Season of godly sorrow in which the Pennant person STOPS or gets Clear of their Wrong Doings! (It Does Not happen after Salvation)
That’s why 2Cor7:11 Concludes by saying, “In ALL these things you PROVED yourselves to be CLEAR in this matter!” (Meaning PURE as in Acts15:9) THEREFORE a Genuine Repentance unto Saving Faith is PROVEN by DEEDS, Just as the Bible Says! Acts26:18. It’s NOT Repeating words, Receiving anything or Trusting in a concept.
You have been LIED to! Your Eyes are Closed to the Truth! OPEN them and TURN while Mercy is still available.
“To Open their Eyes and to TURN them from Darkness to Light and from the Power of Satan to God, that they May receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are Sanctified by Faith in Me!”
You MUST Break your Conditioning!!! Come Out from among them. Depart from Iniquity and Seek His Mercy. The Path will be Difficult and Narrow, every diversion under the sun will try to hinder your progress, including your own passions and desires. The Old man has to Die in Repentance…..DEAD TO SIN….(Rom6:4-6) The Body of Sin Done away with so that you are NO LONGER a Slave to Sin! You Come out of Repentance a NEW Creation in Christ. (2Cor5:17) Not Still addicted to it in need of ‘Christian Counseling’. You were NOT Born a Sinner! (You became addicted to sin by long practiced habit. Eph2:1-3)
The Love Gospel has the Process Backward. You supposedly get Saved in your sins and God cleans you up later. But admit it. DOES ANYONE Ever get Cleaned up? Many get worse, but None are released from their bondage. They fall under the Deception that sin humbles them and learn to Love the Message that they are poor sinners saved by Grace. Soon the Conscience is Seared and the heart waxed cold. The Light in them is Darkness and how Great is that Darkness! DON’T let it happen to you! Repent Now, like the People of Nineveh and find His Mercy.
Thanks for writing back. I have read your treatise and am greatly saddened to see you deny the blood atonement of jesus Christ. If, what you say is true, then Jesus died for nothing on the cross, and I would ask you, "Why did he die?"
The Pauline epistles are clear, salvation is by FAITH alone without works. That's just Bible. You can explain it away if you like, but it's still in the Bible. And as far as imputed righeousness (a bible term) Paul is clear that when a man believes, God IMPUTES unto him HIS righteousness. How sad you choose to reject this plain and simple Bible teaching. (Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for Righteousness. Please Read Rom. 4:1-5, as these verses are very clear!)
You further stated:
"Think about it a moment. You believe that Jesus died on the Cross ‘in your place’ and took on Himself your sins and the penalty due them. If you TRUST in that, and perform whatever ritual the church you attend demands, you are Saved."
You have shown yourself of what you truly believe in this staement, but the simple little word "AND." For you write, "If you TRUST in that, AND perform..."
Salvation is not by faith AND works. It is by faith alone. To think you can add to it or perform something yourself to be saved or stay saved, is to say that what Jesus did on the cross amounts to nothing, and it is ineffective for you can get to heaven without his blood atonement. This is a slap in the face to Jesus who PAID IT ALL on Calvary.
However, you say that DEEDS are a factor in your salvation. This is not true. Either Jesus saves you or you save yourself. But you can never please God by your works, for they will always be the works of dirty, rotten, sinner. The only way to please God is by faith (Heb. 11:6 says For without FAITH it is impossible to please God), and that faith or TRUST must be in what Jesus did to pay for your sins in your place on your behalf. It is not what we DO to get us to heaven, it is what Jesus DID for us. For no one can get to heaven himself, and no one can be "good enough" to make it to heaven. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God!
"Does this Single Passage Capsulate the Gospel Message? Will you then merely ‘Believe’, and Trust that you have eternal life? Did you know that the Bible also says that the ‘Devils Believe’ and tremble? (James2:19) Are you then willing to stake your eternal destiny on the testimony of what men have said about John3:16? Is it Really ‘Faith Alone’ that Saves the Soul? Many think so, but the Real question is: ‘DID JESUS THINK SO?’ "You are correct, the devils believe and tremble. But what do they believe? They believe that God exists, and they believe he died for sinners, but they believe it with their HEAD, not with their HEART, and they do not believe that Jesus did it for them!
You again are trying to make salvation based upon what man does. Good luck with that, because you'll never be saved, cause you'll never please God no matter how good of a life you live, cause you'll still be a sinner in need of forgiveness, and that forgiveness only comes through Jesus Christ's shed blood atonment and faith in it.
I believe that the modern church is very apostate. They do teach things that are foreign to the scriptures. Sadly, they often tell people just come to Jesus the best way they know how and ask him into their heart or beg him for forgiveness. But this is not salvation. You must TRUST what Jesus did for you on your BEHALF for your sins, the just for the unjust, so he might bring you to God (Remember in my last email I quoted 1 Peter 3:18 which mentions this).
So thank you for your response. But it's sad that you are so wrong. Sadder still that if you believe your works are essential to get you to heaven then you will not get there. You are lost and on your way to Hell, trusting in your own righteousness instead of the righteousness of God. You are the one who must REPENT, or turn from trusting in what you do hoping that will get you to heaven, to trusting solely, completely, and totally in what Jesus did for you.
Salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ and trusting his shed blood alone for forgiveness. When you trust, that moment you receive the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13) and it is he who helps you in your Christian life to overcome sin. But even though a sinner is saved, he can still sin. Look at the words of the apostle Paul in Romans chapter 7:
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
According to your argument, the apostle Paul is NOT saved, because he sins and does wrong. How sad.
Salvation saves a man's soul, but his body is still sinful and corrupt. It is at the rapture that he receives the redemption of his body (Eph. 4:30) and receives a glorified body.
So, Mr. I stand in doubt of you and your WORKS doctrine of salvation. Just like the Pharisees of old, your self-righteousness shows through, as you try to say that we have to DO things to get ourselves to heaven. If this be the case, then what Jesus DID means nothing. I reject such a foolish thing. So does Jesus!
Below are some verses that prove it's not by WORKS that we are saved or can stay saved, it's only by FAITH in the WORK OF GOD in paying for our sins in our place at Calvary, through the only means that God will accept--A BLOOD ATONEMENT.
Acts chapter 13:
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Col. chapter 1
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
I pray you will turn from your foolish way of denying the blood atonement of Jesus Christ and thinking you must WORK your way to heaven, for if you don't you'll split hell wide open when you die!
In the meantime, I'll do as I'm commanded in scriptures and "turn away" from such as you who deny the power of God (the Gospel), as instructed in 2 Tim. 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Further, I'll heed Jude chapter 1:
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
I clearly find men like you in 2 Peter 2:
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
You need to read the Pauline epistles first, for Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles (Rom. 11:13), and his books are the heart of New Testament doctrine, and God revealed to him the Gospel, which is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-4:
15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
It is salvation by faith in what JESUS DID, not what we do to get us to heaven. Eph. 1 gives us a great truth:
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
When a man truly believes, he is saved by FAITH (trusting) and he receives the Holy Spirit of God, which seals him (Eph. 4:30). Salvation is ETERNAL LIFE. If you can lose it, it wasn't eternal. When a man is saved, he's ETERNALLY REDEEMED, all sins are forgiven, past, present, and future. He is a child of God, who has been BORN AGAIN.
So that's it. Congratulations if you've read this far. I doubt you will. But you need to be born again, for what you write makes is sound like you are not. If you think your righteousness will get you to heaven, you are sadly mistaken.
Below are some of my books online that you should read. They clearly present the "false gospel" preached in many churches today, and it shows the importance of the TRUE GOSPEL of salvation by FAITH in the BLOOD of Jesus Christ alone, plus nothing minus nothing.
I pray you are an honest seeker, and not a glory hound who will not study the truth, having his mind made up he's right and everyone else is wrong. And I pray you will get saved, for I don't want to see you go to Hell. Jesus doesn't either, that's why he DIED for your sins.
Robert, thank you so much for your desire to at least hear what I have to say, we both are at odds to what the word of God actually teaches about faith, works, salvation, repentance, etc... What you have done is take the word of God out of context, and out in your opinion, that ay have been formed many years ago, by other apostate pastors posing as men of God, what you send will not convince me, we are saved in our sins, or that we must earn anything, I repent, seek His mercy, and follow Him because I love Him and want to please Him, not earn anything.
I wont include anymore scriptures for you to twist to fit your agenda, and false teaching, the articles I sent you were a warning for you to repent and teach the truth, which may leave you without your followers who want their ears tickled by your save in sin gospel.
I assure you I am not preaching works salvation, but, repentance proved by deeds, and a working faith in love.
its sad to see a teacher of truth as you say you are, take and twist the truth into lies, and then accuse me of preaching works salvation.
One thing, say you are married, and you fell into adultery, behind your wife's back, she found out, and you felt bad about what you did to her, now in your teaching you are actually saying, you can continue in your adultery, while expecting your wife to forgive you. It doesn't work that way, you must put your sin to death, through repentance, then seek your wife's mercy, asking and pleading for her forgiveness, and not assuming she will forgive you. Do you think God turns His back on our wicked sin, allowing His holy spirit to fill a dirty vessel? No way.
One more thing you didn't get from what I sent, Christ died on the cross to ransom us from the bondage of sin, to bring us from the darkness to the light, and to put to death the sins that lead to death, FIRST, before we can assume He will forgive us, this isn't earning anything, this is an obedient faith, that works through genuine repentance, leading to salvation.
If you would only take the time to see what the early church taught on this you would clearly never taught, this instant sinners prayer salvation, they never taught, imputed righteousness, moral transfer, election, we are just sinners saved by grace.
Remember Robert, the road is narrow, we must put to death our flesh, Gal 2-20, first, then seek His mercy, not just receive, believe, trust, and confesses our sins, NO, we must put the sins to death first, seek His mercy, not to earn anything from God, we assume nothing, and making Christ our cover for all our sins because we are just poor sinners saved by grace, is a lie I am afraid.
And if you believe which I can assume you do, all our sins are forgiven, past, present and future because Jesus took out wrath on the cross, then you believe one can never lose their salvation, thus you are preaching saved in sin, we can live as vile sinners, and still make it into heaven.
Ditch the reformed teachings you hold dear to, get back to what the early church actually taught on these issues, and remember what Jesus taught as well as Paul and the apostles, is totally opposite of what the reformed teachers taught, that has now infested most to all the churches today, how sad.
I also have great peace now, because I take no pride in my works, but thank My God daily for His great mercy bestowed upon me, while I lived the lie, thinking I was just a wretched sinner saved by grace, and that I could continue in unrepentant sins that lead to death and still make it onto heaven, this Robert isn't works, but the heart of a man, who has come to the end of self, forsaken the world and its vast entertainments, and worldliness, and paganism, and come into a saving faith, not produced from my works, but from my heart, and gratitude, for His great mercy and grace, its a pleasure for me now to obey His work, keep myself on the narrow road, which FEW will find, and a few means a few, not millions who attend Billy Graham crusades, say a simple, ABC prayer and their in like Flynn.
Your teachings encourage people to stay lukewarm I am afraid, I know you believe what you wrote to be true, lets just pray for each other, as we will not change each others mind, but I pray you understand my heart and passion to be obedient to my Lord, following Him on the narrow Road.
I've read this through several times. This guy says he's not trusting in his works, but from what he says, it looks like he's trusting in his works, or the fact that he doesn't sin, or that he "repents" when he does sin. I wrote him back like this:
Thank you Tommy. I will defintely pray for you.
I do see where you are coming from though. there are lots of people who think, "I'm saved, and all my sins are forgiven so I can do what ever I want, and then they do!" I believe that's the wrong attitude! They ought to live holy because they are saved, and want to live holy because they appreciate what Jesus did for them.
I believe you work for Christ because you are saved, not to get or stay saved. It sounds like your position is you must have works to prove you are saved. With this I agree. By your fruits you shall know them. But you take it to such an extreme that you make it sound like you think a person's salvation depends upon their works. This is wrong.
But I'll not argue with you.
I do agree that when a person sins, he should repent. Clearly. But let me ask you a question. WHAT IS REPENTANCE? It is a word that means many things to many people. How do you define it?
I am very much against the Sinner's Prayer, and the shallow soul winning of today of just trying to get a person to quickly repeat a prayer. I believe a person must first HEAR and then UNDERSTAND the Gospel, and then receive it from their heart by REPENTANCE (which I define as the Bible does, turning from trusting their righteousness to Christ's righteousness).
So I'll close with this. All my beliefs and all yours aside. When you die and stand eye ball to eye ball with Jesus Christ and he says, "Why should I let you into heaven?" How will you respond? I will respond in only two words. How about you. I would be interested in hearing your answer to this question.