THE GREAT BIG LIES ABOUT CHRISTMAS!

My wife and I aren't very crazy about Christ-mass. We see it for what it is. It's a holiday set up by BIG RELIGION, with many pagan practices, and it has been turned into a holiday set up by BIG BUSINESS who seeks to bilk people out of their money. Further, it has evolved over the years into more of a SECULAR season rather than a CHRISTIAN rememberance. And for this reason, my wife and I desire not to get caught up in the clap trap.

We are not all "Bah-Humbug" however. Nor are we "Puritans" who openly preach against others who celebrate the Holiday. Our attitude is to take the verse of scripture which states: "He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks." (Rom. 14:6).

In other words, if someone regards the day unto the Lord, then they can do so. As for us, we desire not to. It's their business, and what they do is fine with us. We just ask that they don't push themselves and their beliefs on us and we won't push ourselves on them.

But that's where the problem comes in. The whole world DOES push itself and its beliefs on us! And by so doing, they must LIE to us. It's almost like they are only interested in getting us to believe their lies. But this is something we cannot do.

LIE #1 ABOUT CHRISTMAS

First of all, the word "Christmas" is a made up term. It comes from the melding of two words: "Christ" and "mass." In other words, it is a made up invented CATHOLIC term.

I can celebrate Christ's birth (and I do), but I myself cannot celebrate the "mass." For I'm not Catholic. (Nor am I Protestant. I'm just a Bible Believer). Yet, the whole world wants to use the term, and wants us to use it as well. Why can't we just call it, "Christ's birth day?" Oh, yeah, that would bring us to lie number two!

LIE #2 ABOUT CHRISTMAS

Christ-mass is celebrated on December 25th. Most people claim it is because that was when our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was born. But was he really born on the 25th of December? Was he even born in December? No, the date of December 25th was in ancient times the date of the birth of the pagan God Saturn or Saturnelius (i.e. Nimrod the mighty hunter). And it was THE POPE of ROME who decided to set the date of December 25th as the date that all Christiandom should use to celebrate the Lord's birth.

So when was Jesus really born? That is easy. It was around September. Some state more specifically that it was around the 15th to the 25th of that month. ( I personally think it's around the 21st, when the SUN (i.e. S-O-N) is closest to the EARTH.). There are many ways to prove this, but just read your Bible. No shepherds would be in the fields in December. But they would be in September.

So let's get this straight. December 25th was a date set by the CATHOLIC POPE in which he damanded that we should celebrate the CHRIST MASS. In other words, he's dictating to us what we should do and when we should do it. That would be like me saying, "I believe it is September 21st, and you must celebrate it then only!" Who would listen to me? Nobody.

So why listen to the Pope and his made up day? And how can you be a Bible-Believer and still celebrate the Lord's birth on a day when you know that's not the day he was born? It was the day PAGANS used to celebrate their own god's birth day?

LIE #3 ABOUT CHRISTMAS

Now on to our next lie about Christmass. It's common this time of year to see a manger with the baby Jesus in it. You see them every where, in people's yards, at churches, etc. But is that a Biblical scene? Did the wise man really come to the MANGER and see the baby Jesus? The answer is a resounding, "NO!" In the scriptures, we read that the wise men showed up later. And they didn't show up at the manger. They showed up somewhere else. Someone has twisted the scriptures to their own destruction. So though it's a beautiful scene to remind us of Christ's birth, it's also a great big LIE to show the three wise men there. It took them longer to reach Christ Jesus, maybe even up to two years later.

LIE #4 ABOUT CHRISTMAS

Now I'm going to look at the Christmass Tree. Why is it that people put up such a thing in their house? Who started it? And why do we exchange gifts? Well, if you listen to what many a "Christian" says about it, they say it's a wonderful example of Jesus, as it's an "evergreen" tree, and Jesus is ever alive, having resurrected from the dead. (Why then does the tree die a few months later???)

But where does the tree come from. If you study the Bible as well as pagan history, you find it has it's roots in the practice of the HEATHEN. Why, Jeremiah even tells us about it in chapter ten of his book:

" 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree..."

Sounds a lot like the modern practice of erecting a Christ-mass tree, doesn't it? So why would a person who claims to be a Christian want to do something that the HEATHEN have done for thousands of years? Doesn't sound like it has much to do with Jesus, does it?

LIE #5 ABOUT CHRISTMAS

This lie is that of the teaching about a man named "SAINT NICK" or "SANTA CLAUS." Every year, we are told of a man who lives in the North Pole who dresses in Red, and who travels around the world on Christmass Eve to give presents to all the good little boys and girls. But do you really believe that story? I don't!

Yet it never ceases to amaze me how parents are so willing to LIE to their children and try to convince them that he really does exist. Just like the easter bunny and the tooth fairy, parents are willing to lie to their children and make them believe in something that is not real! Why is this? The thought of me lying to my children sickens me and makes me feel like a rotten person. So how could I feel good about lying to my children about Santa? (By the way, rearrange the letters of SANTA, and you get S-A-T-A-N. Could it be that he's the one behind this lie? Especially when Santa gets all the characteristics of Jesus, which are omiscient, omnipresence, and omnipotence.)

It's gotten so bad, that I even hate to go out around Christmas time. For people all the time ask my daughter, "Are you ready for Santa to come and visit you?" I get so angry. For how could they perpetuate the LIE that there a man named Santa?

LIE #6 ABOUT CHRISTMAS

The next lie about Christmas is most likely the worst. For we are told we need to have the Christmass "Spirit." (Which spirit is that?) We are also told that it's the time of year to give gifts, spread cheer, and "be jolly." (But, It's almost like they are saying, "Only do that during the Christmas season, the rest of the year you can do whatever you want). Are we only supposed to be nice during the end of the year? Shouldn't we be nice the rest of the year too?

Only being nice on CHristmas, but living like the devil or uncle scrooge the rest of the year is like telling a person that it's okay to do evil, as long as they do some good later to atone for it. This is WRONG!!!

I also greatly dislike people saying, "Jesus is the reason for the season." Although this is true, and I agree with the statement, I find that these same people often commemorate other things that have nothing to do with Jesus whatsoever! How can they say Jesus is the reason for the season, and then forget Jesus completely during the Christmas season?

Christmas should be all about celebrating the BIRTH of our Saviour, and to many Christians it is. But notice what this leaves out. What about his DEATH for our sins? This is completely overlooked and forgotten! Why do we remember his birth if we forget the reason he was born? Jesus was born to DIE. And, why do we remember Jesus just one day out of the year? Why can't we celebrate Christ's death, burial, and resurrection all year long? And why can't we remember his birth for what it was, MIRACULOUS!" He was born of a virgin by the power of the Holy Spirit. That should be the only "Spirit" spoken about during Christmas. Instead, we are given this gas about having "Christmas spirit." What is that? Could it be an unclean spirit? Usually it is, as to most people, Christmas is only about greed, i.e. "getting presents for themselves."

LIE #7 ABOUT CHRISTMAS

I've heard people say, "It's un-American and un-Christian to not celebrate Christmas." And you've probably heard that too. But is it really? In light of history, that statement doesn't even make sense. For in England and America, Christ-Mass was outlawed for many a year by both Puritans and Protestants, (and even BAPTISTS) . It was because true "Bible-Believers" knew the pagan heritage and the catholic influence of that holiday. They chose not to celebrate it because they knew it was full of lies and errors.

In fact, the celebration of Christ-mass in America was outlawed until about 1840 something, when Alabama was the first state to allow the celebration of that holiday. (And when it did, there was a great outrage among Christians, who were very much against that CATHOLIC holiday). It wasn't really until the early 1900's that Christmas caught on nation-wide, and even protestants began adopting it.

So to say that not celebrating "Christmas" is un-American and un-Christian is not true at all. It's only really been the last 100 years that that holiday has even been celebrated in our country. For our founding fathers knew better.

SUMMARY

So Christ-mass is a holiday full of lies. You are lied to about its true date, about its orgin, about its history, its practices, and especially about the old fat man in red. (In case you don't know, HE'S NOT REAL!!!). Yet, the world tries to pressure you into accepting it all whole-heartedly, especially when it comes to LYING to your children. But should you?

I'm an Independent Baptist. My denomination is known for their being, hmm, what's the word: DOGMATIC about their beliefs, and they are usually very vocal when someone believes something that isn't Biblical. They especially cry aloud against many a Catholic doctrine that doesn't line up with the Scriptures. However, they all seem to be suspiciously quiet when it comes to the celebration of Christmas. They are now even putting Christmas trees in their churches, and allowing men dressed up like Santa to come and distribute gifts to the children. Further they watch the world's movies about the "Christmas Spirit" and get caught up with the claptrap involved with the world's view of the holiday. But why? Why do they help propogate the lie? Especially when their forefathers were very much against the pagan, catholic, heathen practices involved with Christmas?

I don't know, and I don't have the answer. All I know is that to me, Christ-mass is not something I'm too crazy about. And it greatly vexes my spirit to see what modern "Christ-mass" has become. For us, we remember Christ being born, and that's it. We don't desire to practice nor partake of any of the other rituals of that holiday. And we don't.

Now, if you buy me a gift, I'm not going to send it back. I like gifts. It's always nice to get something from somebody. But I don't expect a lump of coal in my socks if I don't get someone something in return. In fact, I try to give gifts year round, not just on Christmas.

So, once again, let me reiterate. I'm not telling you to celebrate Christmas, nor am I telling you not to. I only hope you'll see through the many lies of that holiday and learn how in good conscience to stop LYING to your kids and family. For the entire holiday of "CHRIST-MASS" sits on a throne of lies. It's full of paganism and catholicsm. And if you truly want to celebrate Christ's birth, then you need to put HIM first. How? The best way is to simply read the scriptures together. Go through the passages which speak of Christ Jesus coming to earth to be born of a virgin. And remember what JESUS did for you here on earth, when he suffered, bleed, and died on the cross for your sins.

Note: Years ago I read a book entitled, "THE TWO BABYLONS." After having read that book, I could no longer celebrate "Christ-mass" in good conscience, as I learned more about its foundations, and origins of its pagan practices. I recommend this book to anyone who's interested in learning the TRUTH about this thing called CHRIST-MASS. But be warned. It will sicken you to see the pagan foundations of the modern Christmas practices. For they are rooted in paganism, heathenism, catholicsm, and even the occult. There really is a "spirit" of Christmass, but it's not God's spirit. It's the spirit of error.

The Most Important Fundamental

I get a lot of stuff in the mail. One thing I get is a lot of Independent Baptist Magazines and Newspapers, and I read them. They help me stay informed with what's happening in the Independent Baptist Fundamentalist movement. (Sadly, I see them going downhill with much man worship, pride, and the love of fame, money, and power).

In the latest magazine I received, there was an article about what exactly Fundamentalism is. The writer defined it not only from the Dictionary, but also from what he personally believed it to be. But all of those who defend the "Fundamentals" of the Christian Faith and "Fundamentalism" all seem to leave out the most important of all the FUNDAMENTALS of the Christian Faith, and that is the BLOOD ATONEMENT OF JESUS CHRIST!

All the books, magazines, tracts, pamphlets, etc. put out by "fundamentalist" Christians who claim to be "Fundamentalists" all seem to leave out the most important of all the Christian Fundamentals. Oh, they claim to believe that salvation is by faith alone, but faith in what??? They never say!

They also claim to believe that it took God's blood being shed to pay for man's sins, but even the Devil knows that! Where is their definitive statement on believing that a sinner must TRUST completely and solely in the shed BLOOD ATONEMENT of Jesus Christ? It's not there.

All throughout the Bible, we read that God only forgives man's sin through blood atonement. Even before the law, God demanded a blood sacrifice from sinners. This is why Adam, Abel, Seth, Noah, Enoch, Job, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, etc., all offered up animal sacrifices of blood to God for the forgiveness of their sins. It's because God demands BLOOD for payment for sin.

Later, God used Moses to write the law, and in the law God told the people how to bring a blood sacrifice to the Lord. We read of how in Leviticus chapter 1:

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.

3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.

4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.

5 And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

6 And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.

7 And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:

8 And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:

9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.

10 And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.

A sinner was to KILL the sacrifice himself. But that wasn't all. He was to put his hand on the head of the animal, signifying it was for HIM and in HIS PLACE for HIS SINS. And it was the BLOOD that the priests collected and offered up to God for the man.

This is why we read this is Heb. 9:22, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

God only remits sins (or forgives them) through SHED BLOOD!

But the shed blood was not all there was to it. The Sinner also had to have faith. And what was the Sinner's faith in? It was in THE BLOOD!

A Sinner who sinned against God and wanted forgiveness of his sins knew that the only way to make peace with God and to have his sins remitted was through making a SHED BLOOD ATONEMENT. But he not only had to do that himself, he also had to TRUST that it was sufficient, for it was exactly what God demanded of him. In other words, HIS FAITH WAS IN THE BLOOD!

Now, when Jesus showed up and lived 33 years under the law, he never made a sacrifice for himself. He didn't have too. He was sinless.

Yet Jesus himself became the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of all mankind himself when he died on the cross of Calvary, shedding his own blood (God's blood, according to Acts 20:28) to pay for man's sins.

Jesus Christ was THE LAMB OF GOD, and the FINAL SACRIFICIAL BLOOD SACRIFICE for the sins of the world. What Jesus did was sufficient to forgive man all their sins. But what's lacking? Is the entire world already forgiven because Jesus did that?

No, something is lacking. And that something is FAITH in that finished work. That is specifically, FAITH IN THE SHED BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!

Romans 3:25 makes it so clear when it states of Jesus, "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation [a substitutionary blood atonement] THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God."

Notice that the word of God says that Jesus will only be declared righteous and can only be your propitiation when your FAITH is in his precious shed BLOOD!

It's that simple. Salvation has always been in the Bible through faith in a blood atonement made on the Sinner's behalf. In the Old Testament, it was faith in the shed blood of an animal, usually a lamb. In the New Testament, it is through faith alone in the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

This is sound Biblical doctrine! Yet today it is often ommitted and yeah even mocked frequently, even by those who call themselves "Fundamentalists."

Why would they leave out the most important of all Fundamentals of the Christian Faith, that of trusting upon a BLOOD ATONEMENT for the forgiveness of sins?

Many Christians today don't preach the blood, or a Sinner's need for reliance upon the blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. Instead, they are guilty of preaching a "BLOODLESS GOSPEL," of which there are many. They go something like this:

Just make a decision to follow Christ.

Just turn your life over to God.

Just Ask God to forgive your sins, begging and pleading him to do so.

Just Ask Jesus into your heart and/or life

Just make a commitment to Jesus

All of these things might sound good to the ears of the hearer, but they are not "Fundamental" in nature, nor are they Biblical, for they all do the same thing, THEY ALL LEAVE OUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!

This is why it bothers me so much to hear people bragging on being "Fundamentalists" and then writting down their little creeds, doctrinal statements, and lists of what they believe the Fundamentals really are, but then they leave out FAITH IN THE BLOOD altogether!

Could it be they really aren't all that Fundamental? Could it be they might even be LOST, because they haven't even gotten the most basic of the Fundamentals right, that of salvation only through FAITH in a BLOOD ATONEMENT?

I believe there is a great problem in "Fundamentalism," "Christianity," "Evangelicalism" and "the Independent Baptist Movement" today. I believe they all consistently leave out the most important of all the Christian Fundamentals, and that is the simple basic doctrine of YOU MUST TRUST THE BLOOD ATONEMENT OF JESUS CHRIST IN ORDER TO BE TRULY BORN AGAIN.

This, as harrowing, horrible, and unbelievable as this might seem, means that there are Pastors, Missionaries, Evangelists, Deacons, Church Members, Sunday School Teachers, and even Bus Captians in our churches today who are not saved! They brag upon being Fundamentalists, but they have left out the most important of all the Fundamentals, RESTING IN THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS CHRIST ALONE, TRUSTING ONLY HIS SHED BLOOD FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF THEIR SINS.

I have met such people. It's easy to spot them. All you have to do is ask them their testimony. If they say they "DID" something, and they leave out trusting the blood atonement for salvation, then they are lost. It's sad, but true. And our churches are full of such people. When you ask them for their testimony, they usually say things like: "Well, I asked God to save me, and I don't know if he did or not, so I just ask him again every night just to be sure."

This is NOT salvation! For a person like this has no assurance of salvation. They don't know they are saved, they only hope they are. And they are NOT trusting in the blood atonement of Christ, for if they were, they would not for sure that their sins are forgiven.

IN these last days in which the Bible calls days of apostasy well shall see more and more of this BLOODLESS GOSPEL. And it's so sad, because it ought not so to be.

What bothers me is that there are so few who preach the right Gospel (of 1 Cor. 15:1-4), that of salvation by FAITH in the blood atonement. Instead, many today are preaching the Beggar's Gospel of just ask Jesus into your heart, or beg his forgiveness, or make a commitment to him, etc. But, why would God save anyone outside of man's faith in HIS BLOOD ATONEMENT ON CALVARY??? It just doesn't make any sense.

God help us.

In the mean time, you there reading this blog. Let me ask you this: "Are you saved? How'd you get saved?"

Now let me ask you this also, "When did you trust the Blood of Jesus Christ alone to save your soul and forgive you of all your sins?"

Time is short. Jesus is coming soon. If you really are a "fundamentalist," then why are you leaving out the most important of all Fundamentals; that of FAITH ALONE IN THE SACRIFICIAL BLOOD ATONEMENT of Jesus Christ?

Why and What at the British Museum.

The other day I was in an antique shop somewhere and I came upon a little hardback book entitled, "Why? and What? at the British Museum," by Lettice Bell. It was printed in New York, and had no date at all but it looked to be around the turn of the last century (early 1900's). It was an easy read, with only 81 pages, but it was an amazing little book. It was written to children, and it was a guided tour of the British Museum, showing the many antiquities there and how they prove the Bible true.

It was also full of drawing of the many items in the British Museum, and it gave a Bible story connected with each of them, even quoting scriptures which mentioned either the people or the peoples involved.

As you read the book, you are supposed to have it in hand when you go to the British Museum, as it is a guide book to that institution, and it pointed out many of the exhibits.

It starts with a bust of the maniacal Roman leader Nero, and gives his dreadful history of debachery and murder. It also shows the Apostle Paul as a prisoner under Nero's reign.

Netx it mentions the bust of Tiberius Claudius, and points out that it was under his reign that all the world was taxed, and that this was when Joseph and Mary had to travel to their native places of birth to be counted. It continues with a bust of Julius Caesar and others.

I then gives a drawing of a statute of Diana, and tells the story of Paul in Ephesus who preached Christ Jesus, while the worshippers of Diana cried aloud against him. It even delves into Nimrod and how Diana really represents Semiramis and who idol worship started with them in Babylon.

It then lists the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. These include:

1. Diana's Temple at Ephesus

2. The Hanging Gardens of Babylon

3. The Pharos lighthouse of Alexandria

4. The Colossus of Rhodes

5. The Great Pyramid of Egypt

6. The Sphinx

7. The Mausoleum at Halicarnassos.

The book then turns it's attention towards a small little black obelisk numbered "98," which was found in the city of Calah, near Ninevah. The monument records the story of Israelite King Jehu kneeling before the conquering Assyrian King Shalmaneser.

On and on the book continues showing exhibit after exhibit tying them into the history given the the Bible. We find Sennacherib before King Lachish, a Moabite Stone which ties in to the book of 2 Kings, Sennacherib's Clay History Book, Nebuchadnezzar's Doorstep, and much more. And it's amazing how the exhibits in the British Museum do nothing more than PROVE the histories found in the Bible. Still, there are those who choose not to believe the word of God.

Yes, this was an interesting book. Too bad there aren't more like this simple children's book which seek to PROVE and not DISPROVE the Bible as the word of God.

Correspondence from a man who denies the Atonement

On September 5th, of this year (2011) I received an email from a guy asking me to respond to the following questions. His email is below:

Robert,

I just read your salvation plan, and want to ask you if you would consider answering a few questions to what you are teaching as truth.

1, Does one have to stop sinning to be saved, such as porn watching, fornication, a thief, drunkard, to receive the mercy of God and forgiveness? (through true biblical repentance)

2, Is Christ our substitution or our example to follow, another words did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness, or to ransom us from the bondage's of sin, putting to death by His blood the works of the devil, so we can nor follow His example?

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Tommy

I read his email and thought not much of it, so I happily responded in the following manner.

Thanks for your questions. I'll be happy to answer.

Question 1: "Does one have to stop sinning to be saved, such as porn watching, fornication, a thief, drunkard, to receive the mercy of God and forgiveness?"

Answer: According to the Bible, salvation is not by what you DO (i.e. stop sinning to get or stay saved), it's by receiving by FAITH what Jesus Christ has already DONE for you on the cross of Calvary. Eph. 2:8,9 state: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Notice salvation is by FAITH, and not anything you do of yourself. It is a GIFT of God, not of WORKS, and it's not something you can BOAST about (like saying, look what I stopped doing!)
Should you stop doing those things? BY ALL MEANS YES! We shouldn't do those things at all. But salvation is not dependent upon what you do or don't do, it's dependent upon whether or not you choose to accept what Jesus DID for you when he died on the cross to pay for your sins of "porn watching, fornication, thievery, drunkeness, etc."
Repentance means two things: 1. To feel sorry for something and 2. To turn from one thing to another. That's what repentance is. Do you feel sorry for putting Christ Jesus on the cross? For it was your sins that placed him there. And are you willing to turn from trusting yourself to trusting in Jesus alone for salvation?

Question 2: "Is Christ our substitution or our example to follow, another words did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness, or to ransom us from the bondage's of sin, putting to death by His blood the works of the devil, so we can nor follow His example?"

Answer: Good question! The answer is he is both! He died for our sins as our substitute. 1 Peter 3:18 is a good verse: "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit." Notice this verse says that Jesus suffered for our sins. He was the just, we are the unjust. He was our substitute dying for OUR sins in OUR place. However, yes, he is also a great example for us to follow. We should follow him and try to live like he did. We should try to live a holy life.

You ask, "did He die to cover our sins and become our righteousness or to ransom us from the bondage of sin, putting to death by his blood the works of the Devil..."?

He did die to PAY for our sins. However, we must accept his payment by faith in order to be forgiven personally and have our sins washed away. He is only our righteousness when we receive him by faith, then and only then does he make us righteous. His blood did not "put to death the works of the Devil." I don't know where you got that. The devil is still alive today and working in doing evil all the time. And Yes, Jesus wants us to separate ourselves from sin, however, we are still sinners. There are only two types of sinners: Saved Sinners and Lost Sinners. In other words, Sinners who have been born again and Sinners who have not been born again. Which are you?

Romans 3:25-28 below are some good verses that should answer your questions better than I could...

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Notice it says that Christ is our PROPITIATION (or substitute) THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. Is your faith in his blood? It says that when you trust his blood, you are declaring HIM righteous, and not yourself. It is Jesus who justifies us by faith, not by our own works, and not by the deeds of the law.

Hope this answers your questions.

Robert Breaker

This man responded to me in a way that it made me think he wasn't saved. For what I read was a man who seemed to be denying the blood atonement of Jesus Christ. His response follows:

Thank you Robert for your honest answers, I know what you sent you believe with all your heart, and teach it to many, but I cannot accept what you wrote as truth, you have been greatly deceived, and deceiving many.

The true Gospel is simple, and I send you these tract's that can save you from your errors if you take it to heart, repent from your false teachings, and seek mercy while you can. 2 Corin 7-10!

Everything But the Truth!

You are standing on a foundation made of Straw. By the slick use of Language the ultimate ruse has been perpetrated on mankind and deeply ground into his physic. It concerns forgiveness of sins by God, better known as the ‘Atonement’ With a Vast majority of the people on earth in the so-called ‘Christian’ camp, this subject is of the utmost importance to their eternal well being.

Most Christians (of all the various groups) believe that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, came to earth as a Man and died on the Cross ‘in their place’, to forgive the sins of the World. Whereas He made ‘Atonement’ for them and ‘IF’ they Trust and Receive His free Gift they are ‘Saved’ from the Wrath of God and destined for eternal paradise at the end. Thus this is the end to all their Preaching and Evangelism, throughout the entire world, regardless which group or Doctrinal System they are derived from.

The idea behind this ‘Atonement’ is based on a Substitution, Representation Model established firmly in ‘Reformed’ theology. Most of the Preaching however is very much simplified in the Pulpits at a human level so that it will appeal to the minds of the people. The more complicated issues of Doctrine are avoided to maintain an aura of Mystery about the things of God. Thereby a person need not understand the whole spectrum of theology behind it all, just ‘Accept’ it as Truth.

In this manner most Professing Christians are able to have a degree of assurance that God has genuinely forgiven their Sins and will take them to Heaven when they die; Although they remain vile sinners here on earth, hopelessly addicted to their base Nature (born into them) and unable to ever cease from sinning daily in thought, word and deed. Accordingly the ‘Representation’ aspect of their belief System supports this conclusion with flying colors! If Jesus Stands ‘in my Stead’ and suffers the Punishment I deserve what remains to be done? He has Done it all, in my place because I was ‘UNABLE’ to do it myself. My ‘TRUST’ seals the transaction and now God can no longer hold me accountable for my sins. (even though I continue in them.)

By design the ‘Christian’ Religion has set forth a VERY POOR example to the World for any real Moral uprightness in the people who profess it. And the reason is quit Simple. They have foolishly embraced a Massive Fallacy concerning the ATONEMENT! One that removes the guilt of their sin without actually removing the sin itself. Consequently the Jesus they believe in serves as a Representative ‘in their place’ NOT as an example to follow after. (1Pet2:21) The Condition of this supposed Salvation is founded on the ‘Not of Works’ mantra. So the Vast Majority of professed Christians trust in a God that requires nothing of them (but to believe) and will not hold them accountable for their on going wrong doings. When pure common sense dictates to the human mind that everyone will Reap what they have sown. (Gal6:7-8)

Hence Logic is removed from the equation. People can hold to ANY System of Doctrine in the Christian religion as long as it is based on this fallacy. But the entire structure of this system comes crashing down on the interpretation of a simple ‘Preposition’ If my hope of Salvation is based on Jesus dying on the Cross ‘FOR’ me, Does that mean ‘in my place’, ‘instead of me’ OR ‘ON MY BEHALF’ ? Does it Matter which definition I believe in, on whether or not I’m really Saved from my sin? When it comes to True Redemption, it matters a GREAT deal!

Atonement founded on Substitution means that the retributive Justice of God has been poured out on Jesus instead of me. It also means (in most interpretations) that the Moral Righteousness and Obedience of Christ is transferred to me by faith. Once I trust in this arrangement there is Nothing to secure my own Obedience to God or motivate me to follow His example. Everything has been done ‘in advance’,. My sins, Past, Present and Future are ‘Done away’ on the Cross with Jesus. The only thing that changed is my Status with God who has now reconciled Himself to my sinful ‘Condition’. My Justification is secured in Christ and cannot be reversed.

However IF indeed the truth is that He died ‘ON MY BEHALF’ as an Offering for Sin, (as Christians believed for the first 1000 years of their existence) then the Retributive Justice of God has NOTHING to do with it. Therefore Redemption is based on a ‘Return to Favor’ on Condition of me forsaking my sins and obeying God. The entire process turns on a faith PROVEN by DEEDS, (Acts26:18-20) just as the Bible Says.

In Repentance I die with Christ (to sin) and my heart is made PURE by Faith Working by Love! Now I Obey God Cleansed, Purged and Scrubbed Clean of all my overflow of wickedness and defilement able to Receive with meekness the implanted Word that can Save my Soul. (Rom6:4-6, James1:21-23) I Come Sorrowing after the Mercy of God, CLEARED of my wrong doings by forsaking them and making restitution where necessary. Vehemently desiring in my heart to Obey Him with great zeal, presuming nothing and plead for Reconciliation. (This is the Model of Redemption set forth in the Bible! 2Cor7:10-11)

A FAR Cry from someone swapping places with me and Magically transferring the Virtue of Christ to my account. The Substitution Changes God by appeasing His Wrath (which is spent on Jesus) while Man remains unchanged still a ‘sinner’ by Nature. All Because of the faulty translation of a simple preposition, that common sense and logic show throughout the Scriptures that it is Something Done on one’s BEHALF NOT ‘in their place’. (Gal3:13) This is the reason people will jump through fiery hoops to Conjecturally prove their Doctrinal theories are true and that the Bible cannot be taken in a Literal sense especially when Obedience and Purity are involved. (1Tim1:5)

Think about it a moment. You believe that Jesus died on the Cross ‘in your place’ and took on Himself your sins and the penalty due them. If you TRUST in that, and perform whatever ritual the church you attend demands, you are Saved. The remainder of your new ‘Christian’ life is now relational whereas no further condemnation can befall you. That was taken care of on the Cross. Neat arrangement, BUT unfortunately it was invented in the Mind of man, not God.

On the other hand IF Jesus offered Himself ‘for my sin’ and became a Curse on ‘my behalf’ (Gal3:13, 2Cor5:21) I now have the opportunity to approach God for Reconciliation, in Repentance and faith and plead for His Mercy. The heart change comes ‘in the process’ of my godly sorrow for sin. Therefore I TOUCH the Blood of Christ in reality and DIE ‘WITH’ Him by Example and become Truly Purified by Faith! (Heb9:14) A HUGE DIFFERENCE in the outcome, wouldn’t you say? In the Former I’m Cloaked and Covered in my sins. In the Latter I am Released from my bondage to sin and saved from its Corrupting influence. The Works of the Devil are Destroyed! (1John3:8)

Thus the True Meaning of Bible Redemption: ‘Release from bondage by Payment of Ransom!’ What Jesus did on the Cross was NOT take anyone’s place, BUT Provide Himself as an Offering to Ransom Man and turn him from Darkness to Light, from the Power of Satan to God! Hence the ‘Works’ of the Devil are Destroyed and Man can be Restored to an upright heart. Now the Bible makes sense! DEEDS will be the deciding factor in your final Salvation, not some mystical Trust in an illusion. (Rom2:7-8, 1Pet1:17)

Professed Christians today are believing ‘Everything’ but the Truth. Simply because most of them have NEVER been exposed to the truth. It’s an unfortunate reality however that their belief Systems has a very Strong tendency to Silence their Conscience to the Convicting Power of the Holy Spirit. Thus when they do hear the Truth it cannot Cut them to the heart so that they would be motivated to Repent. When a person is convinced that some form of Doctrine is Correct, it is almost impossible to persuade them otherwise. To them the Bible Supports their fallacies and absolves them from and further punishment.

Will You Repent?

“God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” John3:16

Does this Single Passage Capsulate the Gospel Message? Will you then merely ‘Believe’, and Trust that you have eternal life? Did you know that the Bible also says that the ‘Devils Believe’ and tremble? (James2:19) Are you then willing to stake your eternal destiny on the testimony of what men have said about John3:16? Is it Really ‘Faith Alone’ that Saves the Soul? Many think so, but the Real question is: ‘DID JESUS THINK SO?’

Jesus said that NOT Everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord will Enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who DOES the Will of My Father in heaven! Matt7:21. Is Doing the Will of God merely ‘Believing’ in Jesus? Again, many will tell you so. But yet Christ Himself answered the question of who would be Saved in Luke13:24, He said: “STRIVE to enter the Narrow Gate, for Many, I say to you, will Seek to Enter and NOT be Able!”

Your Churches tell you ‘Seek and you shall find’ but that’s only a PART of this Message. If you fail to STRIVE (that is put forth a strenuous effort in the face of all adversity) you Will NOT Enter. WHY? Because not only is the Gate Narrow it is also DIFFICULT and only a FEW will be able to find it. Matt7:14. No wonder the Apostle Peter proclaimed to the Saints that the ‘Righteous’ are Scarcely Saved!’ 1Pet4:18, or More Clearly: ‘Saved with GREAT Difficulty.’ It certainly appears that he understood the Gospel Message of His Lord in plain language.

Further is the aspect of ‘Repentance’, Preached as the Basic fundamental Message from the Start. When Jesus described those coming to Him at the Judgment, claiming good works done in His Name, He called them ‘Workers’ of Iniquity! (Matt7:22-23) They were Not among the FEW who had ‘Departed from Iniquity’ (2Tim2:19)

Under the God so loved the World Gospel, NO ONE is Departing from their Iniquity. In fact they are being taught the Very Opposite! That you come to Christ ‘in your sins’ He Receives you and Cleans you up later.

Is this REALLY what the Bible teaches? Are you Certain it’s Correct? Your Soul is hanging in the balance.

EVERYWHERE the Message of Repentance includes a Clearing of Wrong Doing BEFORE Pardon can be granted. (2Cor7:10-11) Surly this is an extremely Difficult concept for you to accept, having sit under the ‘Love’ Gospel for so long. But it’s TRUE none the less. John the Baptist and Christ Himself followed the Prophets and called for this kind of Repentance as the Single Condition to be Reconciled to God and enter the Kingdom. (Matt3:-10, Lk3:8)

Isaiah said: “Let the Wicked forsake his ways and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Let him RETURN to the Lord and He will have Mercy on him. For He will abundantly pardon.” Isa55:7

Hundreds of Passages could be cited proclaiming the exact Same Message of Repentance. So when the Lord compared His Message to that of the Prophets, He used Jonah as His example. (Luke11:29-32, Mt12:38-42) Upon hearing the Repentance message of Jonah the people Nineveh STOPPED sinning, shut down their city and Cried out to the Lord, assuming Nothing. Real Repentance includes a Season of godly sorrow in which the Pennant person STOPS or gets Clear of their Wrong Doings! (It Does Not happen after Salvation)

That’s why 2Cor7:11 Concludes by saying, “In ALL these things you PROVED yourselves to be CLEAR in this matter!” (Meaning PURE as in Acts15:9) THEREFORE a Genuine Repentance unto Saving Faith is PROVEN by DEEDS, Just as the Bible Says! Acts26:18. It’s NOT Repeating words, Receiving anything or Trusting in a concept.

You have been LIED to! Your Eyes are Closed to the Truth! OPEN them and TURN while Mercy is still available.

“To Open their Eyes and to TURN them from Darkness to Light and from the Power of Satan to God, that they May receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are Sanctified by Faith in Me!”

You MUST Break your Conditioning!!! Come Out from among them. Depart from Iniquity and Seek His Mercy. The Path will be Difficult and Narrow, every diversion under the sun will try to hinder your progress, including your own passions and desires. The Old man has to Die in Repentance…..DEAD TO SIN….(Rom6:4-6) The Body of Sin Done away with so that you are NO LONGER a Slave to Sin! You Come out of Repentance a NEW Creation in Christ. (2Cor5:17) Not Still addicted to it in need of ‘Christian Counseling’. You were NOT Born a Sinner! (You became addicted to sin by long practiced habit. Eph2:1-3)

The Love Gospel has the Process Backward. You supposedly get Saved in your sins and God cleans you up later. But admit it. DOES ANYONE Ever get Cleaned up? Many get worse, but None are released from their bondage. They fall under the Deception that sin humbles them and learn to Love the Message that they are poor sinners saved by Grace. Soon the Conscience is Seared and the heart waxed cold. The Light in them is Darkness and how Great is that Darkness! DON’T let it happen to you! Repent Now, like the People of Nineveh and find His Mercy.

Contact: www.standingthegap.org

This looked like a "form letter" to me, and something this man probably sent to a lot of people, thinking it was his ministry to do so. It contained a lot of "wordage" but the message seemed clear as I read it through. This man was claiming that WORKS were necessary for salvation, and that no one could be saved by faith alone in the atonement of Christ. He further denied the atonement of Jesus on man's behalf for man's sins. I wrote the man back in the following manner, trying to get to the main issue:

Dear Sir,

Thanks for writing back. I have read your treatise and am greatly saddened to see you deny the blood atonement of jesus Christ. If, what you say is true, then Jesus died for nothing on the cross, and I would ask you, "Why did he die?"

The Pauline epistles are clear, salvation is by FAITH alone without works. That's just Bible. You can explain it away if you like, but it's still in the Bible. And as far as imputed righeousness (a bible term) Paul is clear that when a man believes, God IMPUTES unto him HIS righteousness. How sad you choose to reject this plain and simple Bible teaching. (Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for Righteousness. Please Read Rom. 4:1-5, as these verses are very clear!)

You further stated:

"Think about it a moment. You believe that Jesus died on the Cross ‘in your place’ and took on Himself your sins and the penalty due them. If you TRUST in that, and perform whatever ritual the church you attend demands, you are Saved."

You have shown yourself of what you truly believe in this staement, but the simple little word "AND." For you write, "If you TRUST in that, AND perform..."

Salvation is not by faith AND works. It is by faith alone. To think you can add to it or perform something yourself to be saved or stay saved, is to say that what Jesus did on the cross amounts to nothing, and it is ineffective for you can get to heaven without his blood atonement. This is a slap in the face to Jesus who PAID IT ALL on Calvary.

However, you say that DEEDS are a factor in your salvation. This is not true. Either Jesus saves you or you save yourself. But you can never please God by your works, for they will always be the works of dirty, rotten, sinner. The only way to please God is by faith (Heb. 11:6 says For without FAITH it is impossible to please God), and that faith or TRUST must be in what Jesus did to pay for your sins in your place on your behalf. It is not what we DO to get us to heaven, it is what Jesus DID for us. For no one can get to heaven himself, and no one can be "good enough" to make it to heaven. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God!

You wrote:

"Does this Single Passage Capsulate the Gospel Message? Will you then merely ‘Believe’, and Trust that you have eternal life? Did you know that the Bible also says that the ‘Devils Believe’ and tremble? (James2:19) Are you then willing to stake your eternal destiny on the testimony of what men have said about John3:16? Is it Really ‘Faith Alone’ that Saves the Soul? Many think so, but the Real question is: ‘DID JESUS THINK SO?’ "

You are correct, the devils believe and tremble. But what do they believe? They believe that God exists, and they believe he died for sinners, but they believe it with their HEAD, not with their HEART, and they do not believe that Jesus did it for them!

You again are trying to make salvation based upon what man does. Good luck with that, because you'll never be saved, cause you'll never please God no matter how good of a life you live, cause you'll still be a sinner in need of forgiveness, and that forgiveness only comes through Jesus Christ's shed blood atonment and faith in it.

I believe that the modern church is very apostate. They do teach things that are foreign to the scriptures. Sadly, they often tell people just come to Jesus the best way they know how and ask him into their heart or beg him for forgiveness. But this is not salvation. You must TRUST what Jesus did for you on your BEHALF for your sins, the just for the unjust, so he might bring you to God (Remember in my last email I quoted 1 Peter 3:18 which mentions this).

So thank you for your response. But it's sad that you are so wrong. Sadder still that if you believe your works are essential to get you to heaven then you will not get there. You are lost and on your way to Hell, trusting in your own righteousness instead of the righteousness of God. You are the one who must REPENT, or turn from trusting in what you do hoping that will get you to heaven, to trusting solely, completely, and totally in what Jesus did for you.

Salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ and trusting his shed blood alone for forgiveness. When you trust, that moment you receive the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13) and it is he who helps you in your Christian life to overcome sin. But even though a sinner is saved, he can still sin. Look at the words of the apostle Paul in Romans chapter 7:

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

According to your argument, the apostle Paul is NOT saved, because he sins and does wrong. How sad.

Salvation saves a man's soul, but his body is still sinful and corrupt. It is at the rapture that he receives the redemption of his body (Eph. 4:30) and receives a glorified body.

So, Mr. I stand in doubt of you and your WORKS doctrine of salvation. Just like the Pharisees of old, your self-righteousness shows through, as you try to say that we have to DO things to get ourselves to heaven. If this be the case, then what Jesus DID means nothing. I reject such a foolish thing. So does Jesus!

Below are some verses that prove it's not by WORKS that we are saved or can stay saved, it's only by FAITH in the WORK OF GOD in paying for our sins in our place at Calvary, through the only means that God will accept--A BLOOD ATONEMENT.

Acts chapter 13:
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Col. chapter 1
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Gal. 2:

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Rom. 4:

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


I pray you will turn from your foolish way of denying the blood atonement of Jesus Christ and thinking you must WORK your way to heaven, for if you don't you'll split hell wide open when you die!

In the meantime, I'll do as I'm commanded in scriptures and "turn away" from such as you who deny the power of God (the Gospel), as instructed in 2 Tim. 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Further, I'll heed Jude chapter 1:

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I clearly find men like you in 2 Peter 2:

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

You need to read the Pauline epistles first, for Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles (Rom. 11:13), and his books are the heart of New Testament doctrine, and God revealed to him the Gospel, which is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-4:

15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

It is salvation by faith in what JESUS DID, not what we do to get us to heaven. Eph. 1 gives us a great truth:

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

When a man truly believes, he is saved by FAITH (trusting) and he receives the Holy Spirit of God, which seals him (Eph. 4:30). Salvation is ETERNAL LIFE. If you can lose it, it wasn't eternal. When a man is saved, he's ETERNALLY REDEEMED, all sins are forgiven, past, present, and future. He is a child of God, who has been BORN AGAIN.

So that's it. Congratulations if you've read this far. I doubt you will. But you need to be born again, for what you write makes is sound like you are not. If you think your righteousness will get you to heaven, you are sadly mistaken.

Below are some of my books online that you should read. They clearly present the "false gospel" preached in many churches today, and it shows the importance of the TRUE GOSPEL of salvation by FAITH in the BLOOD of Jesus Christ alone, plus nothing minus nothing.

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/hrsy_sin_pryr.htm

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/how_to_call_on_Lord.htm

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/import_of_blood.htm

http://www.rrb3.com/mypub/books/where_is_blood.htm

I pray you are an honest seeker, and not a glory hound who will not study the truth, having his mind made up he's right and everyone else is wrong. And I pray you will get saved, for I don't want to see you go to Hell. Jesus doesn't either, that's why he DIED for your sins.

Sincerely,

Robert Breaker

This man with his "standing in the gap" ministry resplied to my email this way:

Robert, thank you so much for your desire to at least hear what I have to say, we both are at odds to what the word of God actually teaches about faith, works, salvation, repentance, etc... What you have done is take the word of God out of context, and out in your opinion, that ay have been formed many years ago, by other apostate pastors posing as men of God, what you send will not convince me, we are saved in our sins, or that we must earn anything, I repent, seek His mercy, and follow Him because I love Him and want to please Him, not earn anything.

I wont include anymore scriptures for you to twist to fit your agenda, and false teaching, the articles I sent you were a warning for you to repent and teach the truth, which may leave you without your followers who want their ears tickled by your save in sin gospel.

I assure you I am not preaching works salvation, but, repentance proved by deeds, and a working faith in love.

its sad to see a teacher of truth as you say you are, take and twist the truth into lies, and then accuse me of preaching works salvation.

One thing, say you are married, and you fell into adultery, behind your wife's back, she found out, and you felt bad about what you did to her, now in your teaching you are actually saying, you can continue in your adultery, while expecting your wife to forgive you. It doesn't work that way, you must put your sin to death, through repentance, then seek your wife's mercy, asking and pleading for her forgiveness, and not assuming she will forgive you. Do you think God turns His back on our wicked sin, allowing His holy spirit to fill a dirty vessel? No way.

One more thing you didn't get from what I sent, Christ died on the cross to ransom us from the bondage of sin, to bring us from the darkness to the light, and to put to death the sins that lead to death, FIRST, before we can assume He will forgive us, this isn't earning anything, this is an obedient faith, that works through genuine repentance, leading to salvation.

If you would only take the time to see what the early church taught on this you would clearly never taught, this instant sinners prayer salvation, they never taught, imputed righteousness, moral transfer, election, we are just sinners saved by grace.

Remember Robert, the road is narrow, we must put to death our flesh, Gal 2-20, first, then seek His mercy, not just receive, believe, trust, and confesses our sins, NO, we must put the sins to death first, seek His mercy, not to earn anything from God, we assume nothing, and making Christ our cover for all our sins because we are just poor sinners saved by grace, is a lie I am afraid.

And if you believe which I can assume you do, all our sins are forgiven, past, present and future because Jesus took out wrath on the cross, then you believe one can never lose their salvation, thus you are preaching saved in sin, we can live as vile sinners, and still make it into heaven.

Ditch the reformed teachings you hold dear to, get back to what the early church actually taught on these issues, and remember what Jesus taught as well as Paul and the apostles, is totally opposite of what the reformed teachers taught, that has now infested most to all the churches today, how sad.

I also have great peace now, because I take no pride in my works, but thank My God daily for His great mercy bestowed upon me, while I lived the lie, thinking I was just a wretched sinner saved by grace, and that I could continue in unrepentant sins that lead to death and still make it onto heaven, this Robert isn't works, but the heart of a man, who has come to the end of self, forsaken the world and its vast entertainments, and worldliness, and paganism, and come into a saving faith, not produced from my works, but from my heart, and gratitude, for His great mercy and grace, its a pleasure for me now to obey His work, keep myself on the narrow road, which FEW will find, and a few means a few, not millions who attend Billy Graham crusades, say a simple, ABC prayer and their in like Flynn.

Your teachings encourage people to stay lukewarm I am afraid, I know you believe what you wrote to be true, lets just pray for each other, as we will not change each others mind, but I pray you understand my heart and passion to be obedient to my Lord, following Him on the narrow Road.

Sincerely,

Tommy

I've read this through several times. This guy says he's not trusting in his works, but from what he says, it looks like he's trusting in his works, or the fact that he doesn't sin, or that he "repents" when he does sin. I wrote him back like this:

Thank you Tommy. I will defintely pray for you.

I do see where you are coming from though. there are lots of people who think, "I'm saved, and all my sins are forgiven so I can do what ever I want, and then they do!" I believe that's the wrong attitude! They ought to live holy because they are saved, and want to live holy because they appreciate what Jesus did for them.

I believe you work for Christ because you are saved, not to get or stay saved. It sounds like your position is you must have works to prove you are saved. With this I agree. By your fruits you shall know them. But you take it to such an extreme that you make it sound like you think a person's salvation depends upon their works. This is wrong.

But I'll not argue with you.

I do agree that when a person sins, he should repent. Clearly. But let me ask you a question. WHAT IS REPENTANCE? It is a word that means many things to many people. How do you define it?

I am very much against the Sinner's Prayer, and the shallow soul winning of today of just trying to get a person to quickly repeat a prayer. I believe a person must first HEAR and then UNDERSTAND the Gospel, and then receive it from their heart by REPENTANCE (which I define as the Bible does, turning from trusting their righteousness to Christ's righteousness).

So I'll close with this. All my beliefs and all yours aside. When you die and stand eye ball to eye ball with Jesus Christ and he says, "Why should I let you into heaven?" How will you respond? I will respond in only two words. How about you. I would be interested in hearing your answer to this question.

Robert

So far I've asked the man several questions, and he never answered them. Yet, I answered all of his questions. So after sending the above email, I was hoping to finally hear his answer to my question. But, instead, I received the follow response to my email under the title of "message denied:"

Your message was NOT accepted by recipient. You were warned, and sent the truth.

So according to this man, the TRUTH is that Jesus is not the substitute for our sins in on place dying for our sins on our behalf. He further believes that you do not get saved by FAITH alone, and he says that we should listen to LOGIC rather than the Bible. Can you say "C-R-A-Z-Y?" There is only one thing we can say about a man like this: He's a FALSE PROPHET! And, I can't help but wonder if a person like this isn't lead by "SEDUCING SPIRITS" (DEMONS!) when he denies the atonement of Jesus Christ and salvation by faith alone.

I can only hope God will open his eyes and he will get saved.